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Mr_OCD 
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Post subject: Struggling with new Board
 Posted: Jul 24, 2012 - 09:34 AM
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First post: Jul 24, 2012
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Hi All,
Will find the introduction area shortly... 
I'm new to Snowboarding (2 months!) and have really got into it so have completed lessons at Chill (Manchester) and I'm happily running on the main slope. Will be looking to do the advanced lessons in a month or so... but in the meantime lots of practice!
In the meantime I bought boots (hire boots suck) and I've been happy using hire boards (158 HEAD at Chill) but a friend of mine offered me his Salomon Prospect Limited Edition 157 cheap... so ripped his arm off.
Which brings me to my problem... I've spent over two hours solid on this board and I cannot get it to turn on my toe edge and I've no real idea why... I know I need to lean more on the front and believe me I've tried but it just doesn't respond like a hire board despite being shorter.
I'm nursing some lovely bruising from all the crashing yesterday with it so not amused... got back on the hire board and I'm fine!
Is this board too advanced for me? / too stiff?
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Post subject: RE: Struggling with new Board
Posted: Jul 24, 2012 - 11:37 AM
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First post: Dec 07, 2009
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I had a similar problem when i learned although i never used a hire board. i got so excited about my lessons i bought a board of ebay for dirty cheap (now i know why). I completed my lessons on it and got to level 5 but was still crashing hard and catching edges.
it wasnt untill i had a go on my frineds burton i relaised how much i had been missing out. his burton was so responsive and flexiable over both axis (heel and toe, fornt to back). i also felt like i could feel the bumps under my feet compared to my stiff, ridgid MDF feel board i was using.
the next weekend i went a demo'd a board from snow and rock (stepchild powder sucks) and ended up buying it. my confidence and riding came on and improved so much with that board.
I guess what im trying to say id there may be many reasons why you are having trouble with your board (mainly being your a begginer so falling over alot is part of the process) but it maybe the wrong size for you? (measurement charts say i should ride a 160cm board but i ride a 154 because i feel the shorter board is more responsive on turns) It does sound like it is too stiff for you, maybe you should try and improve on the hire boards. you may be suprised at how forgiving they are.
You should maybe consider a different shape of board? when i was at my "improving stage" i swapped my board for a yes typo. which has a hybrind rocker shape. i found the rocker profile so much more forgiving and i hardly ever catch an edge now. i wont ever go back to standard camber.
alot to take in i know, sorry i went on abit but its deffinatly worth trying out a number of borads before you invest
hope this helps
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Mr_OCD
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Post subject: RE: Struggling with new Board
Posted: Jul 24, 2012 - 01:48 PM
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Thanks Chris. Appreciate the input ... the main reason for my own board is so that I have consistent kit to work with plus I've booked a week in Bulgaria for Jan so would like to take my own board over rather than rely on hired kit.
I did try a few different size hire boards from 152 to 158 ... I preferred the 158 as its more stable for me yet I can turn it with ease which is why I was baffled when my 157 prospect wasn't playing ball. It was my friend who came with me last night who said it was very stiff and he did fine with it but its much more experienced than me.
I'm 5ft 11 at 85kg so thought a 158 is about right?
I'm off to Chill Factore tonight so will pop into Snow&Rock to see what they can do for me with regards to a demo beginners board.
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Posted: Jul 24, 2012 - 02:22 PM
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Posted: Jul 24, 2012 - 02:31 PM
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| also you will learn so much more on the mountain and build up more confidence. a revelation for me was when i realised at higher speeds i dont have to concentrate so hard on my turns and what my feet are doing etc. its more of a lean forwards and backwards if that makes sense |
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Posted: Jul 24, 2012 - 02:58 PM
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Posted: Jul 24, 2012 - 03:31 PM
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nickmotture wrote:
You dont need a new board you just need to practice on the one you have, two hours is nothing to get used to a new boards feel
Spot on mate!
To confirm what Nick said, i bought his 2nd hand Artec Cipher when i first started but truly HATED it. Couldn't turn, always caught edges, super stiff etc etc so i bought a brand new board, a K2 WWW (turns out it was too soft for me ha ha).
It's been about 2 years since i started and last rode the Cipher but had a go on the exact same board and size the other night and got on fine with it.
My point is it's just general riding experience that matters and getting used to your board.
That said i do prefer a hybrid rockered or a flat board to regular camber and i'd also say if you're just riding in the dome or cruising blues and the lighter reds in resort you'll probably get on well with a rocker type profile. |
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Posted: Jul 24, 2012 - 04:06 PM
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Interesting comments Gents...
I think I'd still like to demo a couple of 'soft' boards for comparison before I do anything and if the prospect really isn't that stiff (is there any difference between a prospect and prospect ltd?!) then I may just stick with the hire boards for now and progress to the prospect when I've nursed all the bruises!
I've no idea if makes any difference using this type of board but I'm 'goofy' ... my main concern was turning on to toe edge. I was fine turning on to heel edge. Bindings setup up +12 / -12.
Appreciate all the input
Being new to this it is very easy to get confused with all the different options! |
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Posted: Jul 24, 2012 - 05:07 PM
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Posted: Jul 24, 2012 - 05:47 PM
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as soon as you move to your own board it tends to be tricky to start with as they're usually a lot quicker than hire boards (making the "oh sh1t I'm going too quick, turn u bitch, turn" factor of learning quicker and more prone to panic) and they usually have sharper edges, so less forgiving.
1) try to make the setup close to what you know from hire board, if that's what you're used to. After getting confident on the board then start messing about with things so you can recognize the feel/changes without changing too many things at once. Why did you choose +/- 12 degrees? Usual hire setups are +/- 15, so would suggest changing to that (and a rough shoulder-width stance that feels comfortable - chances are you'll widen it out as you progress).
2) the Prospect is a directional board (afaik) - dumb question, but you said you're goofy - are you riding the board backwards?
3) when on the board try to remember the exercises you did during your lessons - don't just keep going for the turn if you're struggling, work up to it with the falling leaf exercises, etc. Getting used to peddling/twisting the new board to see how it responds before trying to chuck it about madly.
4) relax and have confidence  If you're still struggling then try a little Elvis Knee - point your front knee forward (keeping it bent) and roll it down the slope to turn. If you notice the knee straightening then that's the instant problem, you're leaning back (up the hill) which is v common with learners. practice practice practice, you'll get there |
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Posted: Jul 24, 2012 - 08:13 PM
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Got to say, I had been snowboarding for years and st the time the Ride DH and the Salomon Prospect had the same spec e.g. size, stiffness etc.
I went to Tamworth to demo them both and tried the Salomon Prospect first and did not get on with it whats so ever and then demoed the DH and loved it. Not sure what the difference was, but 6 years I've had 5 DH's and still love the board.
To this day I wouldn't go near a Salomon Prospect. |
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Posted: Jul 24, 2012 - 11:00 PM
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May sound silly but is your boot centered on the board? When i put my Burton malavita bindings onto my forum board with the adaptor disc i couldnt quite get my boot centred, I rode it anyways and could tell that i needed a bit more pressure on my toes then my heel as my boot was sitting further backwards.
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Posted: Jul 24, 2012 - 11:01 PM
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First post: Nov 30, 2004
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lez_s wrote:
... I went to Tamworth to demo them both and tried the Salomon Prospect first and did not get on with it whats so ever and then demoed the DH and loved it. Not sure what the difference was, but 6 years I've had 5 DH's and still love the board.
I reckon you can tell if a board's right for you within the first turn or two. It's either fun and easy to ride or it's not. Every board I bought or kept, I knew I was going to do that within a turn or two. It's that obvious.
I don't personally get on with Salomon boards although I've spent a few days on some of them.
You'll lean way faster on a board which is fun and easy to ride. |
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Posted: Jul 25, 2012 - 01:45 AM
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I still can't tell if a board is good or bad straight away but I have not been doing this that long, I have had 20+ boards that I have owned and used but it takes me an hour or so to spit or swallow. I may be opening myself to abuse, but is it not the same as cars and people think they know how good it is before they open the door and nothing will change their mind.
Sorry if I have offended but I am from Newcatle and that is my job. |
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Posted: Jul 25, 2012 - 09:55 AM
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First post: Jul 24, 2012
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Thanks for all the feedback Gents!
I didn't know it was a directional board... seriously?!!! - I am goofy so which way should it be pointing?
I don't have any confidence on the prospect and it doesn't feel easy to ride at all.
Bindings are centred and we tried two different types of bindings on it as well... Salomon SPX Pro and Flow M9's. Had same issues with both bindings.
We chose +12 / -12 as that is what we were told the hire boards were? - Will +15 / -15 really make that much difference?
I went to Snow & Rock last night and they don't do demo stuff till Aug-Sept earliest so I just had a chat with them and also popped over to Subvert. Explained my issues and they both recommended some boards.
S&R recommended:
Burton Custom
RIDE Maniac
Subvert Recommended:
K2 Lifelike
Rome SDS Headline
I really like the K2 lifelike and Rome SDS Headline but it seems as though they are an int-advanced board so no idea why has been recommended to me!
The prospect is going back so can anyone recommend a good board for a beginner? Budget £200-ish?
Appreciate all the help!
Last night spent the evening enjoying myself on a hire board and picking up speed... crashed once in two hours then I got taken out by a skier on ice and landed very hard with the guys skis across the back of my legs... I was fuming so went home. Sore this morning! |
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