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Nixtoo 
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Post subject: Any tips for coping with steeper terrain?
 Posted: Apr 14, 2012 - 06:47 PM
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First post: Feb 23, 2012
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| I've done some more lessons today, I can turn well on shallower slopes (bottom of main chill factore slope) but keep falling on the steeper bit. I'm keeping my weight forward and getting round just seem to fall at the end of the turn. Any suggestions? |
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Post subject: RE: Any tips for coping with steeper terrain?
Posted: Apr 14, 2012 - 07:00 PM
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First post: Sep 24, 2007
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How are you falling? Backwards with the nose coming up or falling forwards onto your hands? Toe to heel or heel to toe turn?
It'll be hard for people to help without seeing really. But if your fine lower down and not on the steeper bit it'll more likely be something to do with tightening up through nerves and then forgetting technique |
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Post subject: RE: Any tips for coping with steeper terrain?
Posted: Apr 14, 2012 - 07:09 PM
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First post: Feb 23, 2012
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| Toe to heel turns and I'm falling backwards at the end of the turn. It may just be a balance thing. |
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Post subject: RE: Any tips for coping with steeper terrain?
Posted: Apr 14, 2012 - 07:39 PM
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First post: Sep 24, 2007
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Toe to heel and going back over the tail would suggest your leaning back to much.
A straight front leg and 'sitting down' over the tail to slip you out sound like what your doing?
Theres at least 1 CFe instructor (mini) on here and a few others who seem to know what they are doing who I'm sure will offer some help if you can make it down to let them see you ride.
This is the same problem my gf has, its all to do with her going from facing up the hill and feeling safe to facing down the hill. The small moment during the transition sees her panic and lean back for saftey. |
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Post subject: RE: Any tips for coping with steeper terrain?
Posted: Apr 14, 2012 - 10:46 PM
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First post: Jul 16, 2009
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Location: glasgow
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Post subject: RE: Any tips for coping with steeper terrain?
Posted: Apr 15, 2012 - 06:46 PM
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First post: Mar 09, 2009
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any terrain that's out of your comfort-level will bring back bad habits and/or aspects you struggled with earlier in your snowboarding-development. So, here you're on a slightly steeper slope and you're aware of it, so chances are whatever issues you were struggling with while learning are rearing their heads again.
your previous topic had some vids where you were leaning back (back over the tail of the board, not back as in back back, if you get me) - as dashie mentioned, it sounds like this is happening again. And/or it could be you're not shifting your weight over the board and settling on the new edge soundly - if you're still in your toe-edge stance (trying to keep those hips forward) as you come around then, sure, it's going to catch and you're going to go down... This could be happening 'cos you're looking down, trying to focus on the board and what you're trying to get your feet to do - but looking down will make you lean forward and thus cocks up that heel-stance by shifting your weight forward.
Just think of 2 things while turning:
1) Start your turn with that Elvis Knee I mentioned last time. Focus on that knee and make sure you feel it staying bent (ie you're conscious it's not straightening), point your front knee out towards the nose of the board and when you're ready slowly roll it down the slope to start the turn.
2) When the board is pointing down the slope (fall line) then move your hips over the board to get into the other stance.
So, toe-to-heel: Start nice and relaxed in toe-stance (hips forward, both knees bent and looking up the slope). Look over your front shoulder (left if regular) to check it's all clear and start side-slipping in that direction. Move your front knee out to the nose of the board and then gently roll it further left and around to point it down the slope - the board will start to turn. When it's pointing all the way down the slope move your hips across the board and try to look straight ahead in the direction of the slope (try not to look down to your feet) - this hips movement will finish the turn and get your weight nicely onto both your heels. Sink down to stop and try to work out what the fuss is about 
CFe tips:
atm the slope is v v icy in places, shockingly so last couple times I've been - Only thing I can think that's changed is the recent development and use of the space under the slope in the last few months and whether their heating under the slope is warming the base of the slope (you know, 'cos heat rises...) causing freeze-thaw solid ice... Dunno, but if that's the cause then it's only going to get awful next winter when PlayFactore crank their heating up... Whatever's causing it, it's now pretty sketchy in places, so keep to the sides where the snow is built-up and softer. Even if it's a little lumpy you'll get more grip to the side of the slope than in the middle - so if you were falling over and unable to turn while in the middle of the slope, the ice could have been the problem all along... |
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Post subject: RE: Any tips for coping with steeper terrain?
Posted: Apr 15, 2012 - 07:23 PM
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First post: Feb 23, 2012
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| Dereksdontrun that's fantastic advice again, thankyou. The elvis knee thing worked a treat, I'm definitely getting my weight more over my front foot. I was having problems with the ice at cfe also trying to rush my turns to avoid the ice. My instructor said I wasn't moving my hips forward, so again you're spot on. I think I just need a lot more confidence as I was really nervous about going up to the top. They've said I can do level 6 again for a £10 so that will be worth while. Unfortunately I fell a couple of times on the ice and have badly bruised my knee, so next purchase will be some knee pads. Thanks again for all the advice it has really helped! |
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Post subject: RE: Any tips for coping with steeper terrain?
Posted: Apr 17, 2012 - 11:09 AM
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First post: Oct 22, 2008
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| Nothing to add after the cracking advice above. Just watch for the lead leg straightening as you turn. A classic sign of leaning back out of caution rather than poor technique per se. |
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