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#1 Topic:  Outgoing = Wallet rapists
Posted 12 January 2012 - 7:12am on Freeski Club UK
So, i've just been costing up the WB for me and a mate who are very seriously considering booking (he just needs the OK from 'er indoors), and I discover that Outgoing want to rape my wallet.

Because it's now so close to the bash, they want payment in full with any booking; they add on their 2.5% "card fee" to your selection at the checkout (at least with the online booking... but I can't see them wanting to anally invade me any less over the phone). Which adds approx £20-25 PER PERSON for the booking!

Can someone explain to me why people who are booking late are being charged 10 times the fees of the people who booked last month? 2.5% of the £100 deposit was reasonable...2.5% of £700 is not.

Since when does it cost £25 to take a payment from a credit/debit card?
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#2 Reply:  Outgoing = Wallet rapists
Posted 12 January 2012 - 7:18am on Freeski Club UK
I'm not defending them. But this will be how much it costs them to take payment by credit card.
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#3 Reply:  Outgoing = Wallet rapists
Posted 12 January 2012 - 7:21am on Freeski Club UK
I know what you're saying, but 2.5% is on all card transactions it appears. I paid in installments and was charged 2.5% every time. My total booking cost was £600, the card transaction fees came out to nearly £30.
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#4 Reply:  Outgoing = Wallet rapists
Posted 12 January 2012 - 7:27am on Freeski Club UK
I don't agree - I've worked at companies who take online/electronic payments, and if they were charged that much by the processing companies they'd be out of business.

Also, if what you say was the case, every company would charge to take payments to cover their costs - I dobt see Amazon doing that...

It costs pence to take a payment electronically - a couple of quid at most... So why are late comers being charged so much?
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#5 Reply:  Outgoing = Wallet rapists
Posted 12 January 2012 - 7:30am on Freeski Club UK
stew-t wrote:
I know what you're saying, but 2.5% is on all card transactions it appears. I paid in installments and was charged 2.5% every time. My total booking cost was £600, the card transaction fees came out to nearly £30.


If that's the case - and we would be expected to pay that fee on the whole payment - they've just lost two peopke booking onto the bash.

Simple as that.
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#6 Reply:  Outgoing = Wallet rapists
Posted 12 January 2012 - 7:34am on Freeski Club UK
The charge for a credit card it 2.5% for us.
Companies just factor that into their costs.
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#7 Reply:  Outgoing = Wallet rapists
Posted 12 January 2012 - 7:43am on Freeski Club UK
The Government's got plans to crack down on this sort of thing:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-16301923 (think it's aimed at a certain Irish airline ;) )
However, apparently credit card fees can be around 2% so it might not be such a rip off. Still annoying tho.
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#8 Reply:  Outgoing = Wallet rapists
Posted 12 January 2012 - 7:55am on Freeski Club UK
The credit card explanation doesn't cut it when they take it off a debit card payment too.
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Posted 12 January 2012 - 8:00am on Freeski Club UK
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Posted 12 January 2012 - 8:47am on Freeski Club UK
My cc machine fee is alot less , but i take a hit ,, as taking ccards means more business . more turn over ..... as customers returning for a good service makes the difference up and referalls ..


Only thing i would say isd i would of pm dunx or someone , since they are a SCUK partner etc , and i wouldnt think they would like to see it in print etc , i know its on a forum etc but , thee are ways and means
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#11 Reply:  Outgoing = Wallet rapists
Posted 12 January 2012 - 9:18am on Freeski Club UK
Of course you're saying that 2.5% on the deposit is ok, but on the full lump sum its not - of course if you pay each installment by credit card I'd imagine they'd still slap on the 2.5% so it probably doesn't make much difference.

Our company is just setting up credit card facilities - first of all its a faff, and also involved huge amounts of fees, both percentages per transaction and all kinds of start up and monthly fees, to use, so although I'm not justifying it, I can kind of understand it.

As WFM says, speak to Dunx, or even better, Outgoing about it, and can I refer you to this thread http://www.snowboardclub.co.uk/PNphpBB2-viewtopic-t-241.html

if you have a complaint about a 3rd party, please try and take it up with the companiy involved.
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#12 Reply:  Outgoing = Wallet rapists
Posted 12 January 2012 - 9:50am on Freeski Club UK
Sorry, but the 'fees' argument of taking card payments just doesn't wash. You factor that in to your advertised costs for the package deal - especially when it's obvious 99% of people pay for this type of thing on a card.

Also, it was only the deposit that had to be paid on card, wasn't it? So £2.50 wasn't much to pay to book; then I could have paid the full balance via BACS to avoid being wallet raped. If I then chose to make further payments on card (as opposed to it being mandatory to book), it's then my choice to take the hit on the fee too. Since I have no option but to pay IN FULL on a card and get charged for it now, it's an unreasonable fee.

Since I'm aware Dunx reads the forums, and this is an issue that will hit anyone who now wants to book onto the bash, I felt this was (and is) the appropriate place for the discussion. Also, given this is an SCUK branded, organised and supported event, it's clearly not a complaint about a 3rd party - it's a complaint about the agent SCUK has partnered with.

But, more importantly than all that, I'd like to know whether SCUK think it's acceptable to charge one person 10 times the booking fee of people less than a month ago? Especially when people trying to book now have no choice but to secure their booking with a card payment in full (with the fee based upon that full payment, not the 2.5% of £100 that previous people had, with the option to pay the balance by a non-charged means).

Just seems very dirty to me - and I really didn't think SCUK was like that.
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#13 Reply:  Outgoing = Wallet rapists
Posted 12 January 2012 - 9:59am on Freeski Club UK
The 2.5% is noted on the WB page and is on the total amount. I paid 2.5% on the deposit and 2.5% on the balance. I'm not sure why you think it was otherwise.

I appreciate all the arguments about having any fee at all though, but as with the majority of service companies from cinemas to concerts you'll get hit for a cc/booking fee.

Last comment is a little below the belt too!

Booking may well close this week BTW, so if you still want to book...
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#14 Reply:  Outgoing = Wallet rapists
Posted 12 January 2012 - 10:07am on Freeski Club UK
Hey Dunx Smile

My point about the fee is that previous to now, I could have only paid £2.50. I could have then paid the balance by BACS with no fee at all.

If I chose to pay it all on card rather than BACS, sure, the fee might be justified. But now I don't have that choice, do I?

How is that fair to late bookers? We should still have the option to pay a deposit to secure the booking, and make the balance payment via the method of my choice - even if we are required to make the BACS transfer that same day.
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Posted 12 January 2012 - 10:22am on Freeski Club UK
I'm assuming their T&Cs make this very clear. You did have the choice to book before the month deadline. I can't change OG T&Cs, but feel to give them a ring and see whether they'd be willing to accept a deposit and then an immediate payment by BACS.
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#16 Reply:  Outgoing = Wallet rapists
Posted 12 January 2012 - 10:27am on Freeski Club UK
I know cc fees are annoying but put it into perspective, not going on holiday over twenty quid is a little on the petty side. It's a round of drinks in resort, or going without a tube of pringles and a beer on the flight out there.

Go make your booking, pack your board bag and go and have a great time in some of the best conditions the Alps have had for decades.
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#17 Reply:  Outgoing = Wallet rapists
Posted 12 January 2012 - 12:35pm on Freeski Club UK
In one respect its good that they didnt just charge an extra 2.5% on the cost and said no book\credit card fee's

as Dylan said, book it and enjoy it - you will not regret it Smile
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Posted 12 January 2012 - 12:57pm on Freeski Club UK
... or don't Whatever
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#19 Reply:  Outgoing = Wallet rapists
Posted 12 January 2012 - 1:57pm on Freeski Club UK
tadgy wrote:


My point about the fee is that previous to now, I could have only paid £2.50. I could have then paid the balance by BACS with no fee at all.


Unfortunately it appears there is no way that you can avoid the 2.5% and it is not because you booked late in the day. I had to pay 2.5% on the deposit and also on the final balance - which I paid long before the deadline. So it's no different to booking late in the day. I also tried to avoid the 2.5% by paying by another means other than a card, but they advised me that was not possible, so I just had to pay via the website and swallow the cost. So its not really a card fee, just a general prossessing fee. Sad
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#20 Reply:  Outgoing = Wallet rapists
Posted 12 January 2012 - 2:29pm on Freeski Club UK
An example of a CC machine for a small business would be -

Rental for the PDQ machine is £15.50 + VAT per month.
1.8% charge for credit card transactions
22p charge for each debit card transaction

Thats just one provider, streamline etc are cheaper on charge and no minimum transaction charge etc

Some people swallow these costs as stated to offer the ease to consumer of CC/DB payment. If you have a chance to pay with a virtual merchant like Paypal, the charges are lower.

sorry, its off topic,i know it dont help your 2.5% charge but there are costs to having a merchant facility, and its more useless info
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#21 Reply:  Outgoing = Wallet rapists
Posted 12 January 2012 - 8:17pm on Freeski Club UK
I just inadvertently booked a week in Mayrhofen at the same time as the bash. £380 for B&B plus flights (and no booking fee ;))
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Posted 12 January 2012 - 8:24pm on Freeski Club UK
Guessing no lift pass though
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Posted 12 January 2012 - 8:44pm on Freeski Club UK
And no Welcome Meal, Pub Quiz, Bash Dash either. Have fun and hopefully see you there (not that we'll talk to you of course). Smile
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#24 Reply:  Outgoing = Wallet rapists
Posted 12 January 2012 - 8:45pm on Freeski Club UK
True, but thats only £175 making it £550 including flights, transfers, digs and lift pass. Not a bad deal really. A quick look on the outgoing website puts it at £513 for the same with no flights.
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#25 Reply:  Outgoing = Wallet rapists
Posted 12 January 2012 - 10:59pm on Freeski Club UK
Mine cost is
Flights £89
Parking £39
Bash via outgoing £575.00 (+2.5% Fee)

Price Includes;
6 Day Lift pass
Back Country Party Night
Transfers from airport
Air and Style Ticket
Welcome Meal
Pub Quiz
Bash Dash

I am a happy bunny top pay an extra for these things Smile
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Posted 12 January 2012 - 11:29pm on Freeski Club UK
It is all good stuff. The dash is so funny.... Quiz too
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Posted 13 January 2012 - 10:30am on Freeski Club UK
I have some new rounds planned for this year's quiz too.
I think we should make the Dash mandatory as well ;)
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#28 Reply:  Outgoing = Wallet rapists
Posted 13 January 2012 - 11:02am on Freeski Club UK
dunx wrote:
I have some new rounds planned for this year's quiz too.


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Posted 13 January 2012 - 12:34pm on Freeski Club UK
Is the Dash pre copious amounts of beer or after ??

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Posted 13 January 2012 - 12:54pm on Freeski Club UK
Definitely pre, snowboarding drunk = no insurance ;)
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Posted 13 January 2012 - 1:43pm on Freeski Club UK
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