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#32 Reply:  Raven Snowboards?
Posted 15 July 2011 - 9:02pm on Freeski Club UK
It's not the mark up of bigger names it's that these boards by the guys own admission are basically 3 or 4 year old Burton shapes. The brands spend money on developing new designs and shapes and technologies, they move snowboard design on. If you were to find a brand new top brand board that's from 3 years ago then it would also go for a bargain price, as it's not current and is basically old. Same as buying a 3 year old car. You can find old models from the top brands for just as cheap as these Internet only brands. Plenty of shops have complete bargains on last years models, some 50% off rrp. That way you know you're getting quality.
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#33 Reply:  Raven Snowboards?
Posted 15 July 2011 - 9:09pm on Freeski Club UK
fundamental m8, as you're new here - just dig through some of Grill's past posts... He's a wealth of insider info and shoots from the hip in the way most of us would love to. The majority of us tend to avoid anything "exclusive" to eBay and trade channels outside of the UK retailers as it just smells more fishy than a week-old trout (and is probably just as enjoyable when compared to most boards available to the UK market).

There's nothing wrong with new companies, just look at the attention/buzz around Yes, Jones, Lobster etc - but there's a considerable difference between known snowboarders producing/endorsing boards with cutting-edge technology and using recognized trade-channels and other brands claiming they're a force to be reckoned with by using old (discarded) moulds.
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#34 Reply:  Raven Snowboards?
Posted 15 July 2011 - 9:28pm on Freeski Club UK
DereksDontRun wrote:
but there's a considerable difference between known snowboarders producing/endorsing boards with cutting-edge technology and using recognized trade-channels and other brands claiming they're a force to be reckoned with by using old (discarded) moulds.


So that's the snowboard racket then. In bmx it was different alloys in different parts of frames and/or sketchy welding if I remember rightly.

So given what you're saying, is it not worth me as a newb snapping up one of these "new" older moulds for the knock down price when you consider I'm likely to only get old tech in a used board within my price range.


re this grill fella. I know he seems to know his stuff which is why i asked him. All a bit overwhelming this. i was on a plank of wood I rented one day then the next it's all effing camber and wood core.
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#35 Reply:  Raven Snowboards?
Posted 15 July 2011 - 10:01pm on Freeski Club UK
come on m8, there's more to a board than just using an old mould... In v simplistic terms, off the top of my head you can almost break it down into 3 areas:
1) shape - comes from the mould
2) materials - type of core, type of base, glues etc
3) tech - carbon stringers, pop sticks, lay of materials etc

and this is ignoring how the final product ends ups regarding torsional-flex, pop, edge-hold, etc.

Just 'cos these guys have the old mould (and therefore the old shape) doesn't mean it'll be the same as an old Burton (or whoever's mould it was) board.

Not to mention buying a past seasons board new from a shop will still have a warranty and someone to go back to if there's a problem...

I'm not saying that "modern" shop-board boards aren't possibly over-priced in many instances, or that a modern board is necessarily better than say a 3 year old one, or that marketing gimmicks don't exist to keep us wanting to buy the newest boards all the time. All I'm suggesting is that you just can't say these are the same as an older established board - and god forbid you might want to sell the board after a while, surely it would be easier (and it retain some value) by being a known brand?
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#36 Reply:  Raven Snowboards?
Posted 15 July 2011 - 10:10pm on Freeski Club UK
its sliding down a hill on a plank, with your mates, for fun. buy whatever you want, if it makes you smile then job done, for 99% of people out there the quality of the snow will make more of a difference to your holiday than whether you have a 3 year old board or not.
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#37 Reply:  Raven Snowboards?
Posted 15 July 2011 - 10:15pm on Freeski Club UK
The Raven boards may use wood cores, but there's no indication that they use anything else in their construction. Regardless of the mold, without any sort of carbon or fiberglass stringers or layers I don't see these things have good pop or torsional response. A simple board such as the K2 Anagram is built the same way (albeit in a better fab with a better shape and loads more r&d behind it it) and rides fine. Notice I say "fine". There's nothing special about it. It butters easy, pops ok, and is super-easy to ride. Ride a Parkstar right after it and the difference is night and day. The fact that the Anagram is a solid cheap performer allows K2 to develop boards like the Parkstar. Buying a Raven may sustain them for a few days but they won't dump any of the money into developing their own Parkstar.
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#38 Reply:  Raven Snowboards?
Posted 15 July 2011 - 10:53pm on Freeski Club UK
I'm planning of spending a lot more time on a board in future so I really appreciate these responses. Helped me put on a new set of eyes already Smile
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#39 Reply:  Raven Snowboards?
Posted 9 August 2011 - 12:59pm on Freeski Club UK
Hi, being selling Raven snowboards for two years in my country...in my country their price is 220usd...Myself riding Arbor Draft and this season gonna try one of these Raven boards...but have already sold alot of them and still have no problem or any bad rewievs from my customers.

Have also tested another brand: Sapient(with their STRUK-TURN technology) and was surprised...as it appeared to be very fast. So as a tester will be glad to provide more info as soon as I can.
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#40 Reply:  Raven Snowboards?
Posted 9 August 2011 - 5:25pm on Freeski Club UK
sapient and raven are the same parent company.
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#41 Reply:  Raven Snowboards?
Posted 13 September 2011 - 2:44pm on Freeski Club UK
Well I'm new to the world of snowboarding and have just passed indoor recreational standard. As the rental equipment is so bad I've done a lot of research and taken a punt on a Raven board with a set of their S500 bindings.

It should be turning up soon and once I've had chance to try it and give it the once over I'll post a newbies opinion. Communication from Snowboards24 on Ebay has been excellent and Marcin Pyc has been really helpful.

I went for the Raven Blur Wide 159cm board as to start with it will mostly be used indoors. As I'm new to the sport and I'm only learning I was after a board to learn on that could be used if I should go away on holiday. I was impressed with Marcin Pyc's replies on this forum and the boards sounded like they were worth a try. It's true the website could really do with some specs and info on the kit as the only info available was from the Ebay Auction and this forum (Great forum by the way).

Report back after the first ride!
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#42 Reply:  Raven Snowboards?
Posted 13 September 2011 - 4:38pm on Freeski Club UK
we put our money where our mouth is and got three of these boards from marcin and have given them to people to try out and ride. They seem fine. the construction is as good as any other regular priced snowboard and the jibmaster felt lively poppy and fun. it has a slight camberwith rocker tips from just outside the bindings. We will be chucking our findings up as well.
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#43 Reply:  Raven Snowboards?
Posted 13 September 2011 - 4:41pm on Freeski Club UK
Be good to hear from someone without 1 post. Was looking at a jib master for the mrs cos she's 5'10 and strong so would mess up some chick sticks I reckon
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#44 Reply:  Raven Snowboards?
Posted 13 September 2011 - 4:52pm on Freeski Club UK
its a nice enough board as far as we can tell. we got a couple of technine enforcers too, apparently theyre softer than an amish porno according to mini who is currently using one.
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#45 Reply:  Raven Snowboards?
Posted 13 September 2011 - 5:30pm on Freeski Club UK
Dashie, if your missus is after something soft, i picked up an technine enforcer from Andy a few days ago. its soft. very soft. my point of reference being, compaired to last yrs K2 www rocker (well known for softness) the enforcer is much much softer. Bloody brilliant for flinging around the fridge
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#46 Reply:  Raven Snowboards?
Posted 16 September 2011 - 11:32am on Freeski Club UK
My package arrived today just 3 days after ordering! Initial impressions are very good. Everything was well packed and all the fixtures and fittings came with the bindings. The build quality looks very good on both the board and the bindings, easily on a par with similar spec boards I had looked at in the shops.

I'll fit the bindings tonight and once I've tried it out on the slope I'll post up how I got on.

I have the bindings fitted and they feel really comfortable, it's so much better being able to set up the board exactly for my stance than using the rental stuff. Plus the binding ratchets actually work!

As this package was obviously aimed at a beginner it would have been nice to have some setup info. As it was the board came with no manufacturer recommendations for base settings or how to fit the hardware. I'm not too bothered as I found an excellent guide on youtube of how to fit bindings as well as one on how to correctly determine your stance. The videos covered everything from heel/toe overhang, binding angle, mounting position to highback rotation angle. One thing the S500 bindings don't have but I'm not sure how important this is as not everyone sets this apparently.

Overall I'm really pleased with the equipment for the money, it looks great, feels really sturdy and is leagues above any of the rented gear I've used. If you're going to get into snow boarding this set for £189 delivered is a no brainer in my book.

See how it rides in a couple of weeks.
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#47 Reply:  Raven Snowboards?
Posted 26 September 2011 - 9:54am on Freeski Club UK
any news?
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#48 Reply:  Raven Snowboards?
Posted 26 September 2011 - 10:59am on Freeski Club UK
I'm not trying to be condescending but it might be better if someone who hadn't just ridden rental stuff to have a crack on one of these boards so that a more experienced view can be given.
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#49 Reply:  Raven Snowboards?
Posted 26 September 2011 - 12:48pm on Freeski Club UK
we got three the other week and have given one to JP, hes loving it. The one we gave him was a 151 with a three stage rocker/camber profile, its also see through so you can see its been built right, i had a quick lunge test and it felt nice enough. the bindings seem fine as well, we got a set of those too, the ratchets look very sinilar to the forum ones.
if anyone wants to try one out then we will have a couple of demo boards in the next three weeks that people can borrow and try out at a dome for the night.
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Posted 26 September 2011 - 2:57pm on Freeski Club UK
Nice one dude, that's what I was hoping to hear Smile
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#51 Reply:  Raven Snowboards?
Posted 30 September 2011 - 12:38am on Freeski Club UK
227angrydonkeys wrote:
we got three the other week and have given one to JP, hes loving it. The one we gave him was a 151 with a three stage rocker/camber profile, its also see through so you can see its been built right, i had a quick lunge test and it felt nice enough. the bindings seem fine as well, we got a set of those too, the ratchets look very sinilar to the forum ones.
if anyone wants to try one out then we will have a couple of demo boards in the next three weeks that people can borrow and try out at a dome for the night.


I need to come on here more often.. bad JP.. BAAAAAD JP.

Hokai. So. Here it Goes. Are we sitting comfortably? Then I shall begin. To start i shall give a bit of background to my riding and you can take what you want from it.

I have been snowboarding for 10 years so far, and doing various comps when i can since 2005. I'm no Terje, but I am always trying to progress and impress Razz . I also have been a snowboard instructor for 7 years to which a lot of other instructors i work with say I am totally anal with technique. So to reflect this, I always want a board which can both test and reflect my riding. I love long walks on the beach, watching the sun rise.....

Oh, and by the way... I dont ride with highbacks. Suprised

About 2 weeks ago as Andy said, he chucked a few boards our way. The only problem with the 151 was that in terms of stability on landing at speed and from height, it was too twitchy. This was totally not due to the quality of the board, but the fact that it was just not the size for me doing such things. On rails however, spinning on and off rails, nose and tailpresses were a joy to do on this board, and i felt totally in control.

I then gave the Raven "Core" (156) a try, and found it to be excellent on jumps with a good amount of pop (even easier to do tricks on the board than my Ride Kink which is of the same size.

Riding without highbacks with the board is very easy with the rocker construction, and makes dryslope riding a lot easier. The tortional flex of the board is just right for my needs as both an instructor demonstrating to my students and also when riding freestyle. Going back to using the word DRYSLOPE (shock horror) the base has taken a fair beating.. even with riding on such "high quality" (jk) materials as ye old sheffield ski village. To the veterans who know that slope, your board needs to be made from stone to withstand the beating it takes.

Overall I have had no problems, infact rather the opposite.


Questions on a postcard. Smile
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#52 Reply:  Raven Snowboards?
Posted 30 September 2011 - 10:30am on Freeski Club UK
How long is a long walk on the beach?

Seriously though this is a review I have waited for. It's too good a deal to turn down as a first board for my mrs but I had no way of knowing they were any good because I would snap a girls board by looking at it.
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#53 Reply:  Raven Snowboards?
Posted 30 September 2011 - 1:14pm on Freeski Club UK
if anyone wants one of these or wants to demo one, pm me as we are about to put in another order.
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#54 Reply:  Raven Snowboards?
Posted 1 October 2011 - 1:08am on Freeski Club UK
how long is a walk on the beach.. does that include dinner? haha.

damnit i shouldnt be on here after red wine!What sort of boarding are you aiming for?

For the "better half", i would suggest the "Flossy" for an all rounder judging by the shape. The "Intense White" seems to be more of a flexy model for jibbing if that is more up her street.
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Posted 1 October 2011 - 8:45am on Freeski Club UK
If you class half a twix and a bottle of 20/20 as dinner....

She's having more lessons today so will know if she really wants to carry on. She'd just be cruising about for now so I might get her a flossy. Am currently stalking eBay for a bargain but it's getting silly season on there.
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Posted 1 October 2011 - 7:53pm on Freeski Club UK
LOL 20/20? havent seen that for ages!

think we should get a board test arranged soon, wheres your local slope?
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#57 Reply:  Raven Snowboards?
Posted 1 October 2011 - 8:15pm on Freeski Club UK
Braehead unfortunately so a bit of a mare really.

She had a look at some stuff today at the big bang demo and is still pretty much picking alot of graphics rather than tech as she knows no better and is happy on camber. She does like the look of the flossy though.
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#58 Reply:  Raven Snowboards?
Posted 1 October 2011 - 8:41pm on Freeski Club UK
maybe we could organise a uk demo tour of the snowdomes? Andy?
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#59 Reply:  Raven Snowboards?
Posted 2 October 2011 - 10:03pm on Freeski Club UK
Hey, I'm interested in these boards too, after googling the only useful info I could find was this thread. I was looking at this http://cgi.ebay.ie/Snowboard-Lucid-Notion-Bird-150cm-Raven-s250-Bindings..., it's not branded as Raven but seems to be from the same people, any thoughts?

Cheers Dyl.
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Posted 2 October 2011 - 11:18pm on Freeski Club UK
Itll be from the same (elan) factory and probably branded by the same guy too.
working on some demo nights at the moment so when we get one sorted ill post up on here.
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Posted 3 October 2011 - 11:58am on Freeski Club UK
If anybody wants to give the boards a try in the Sheffield area drop round to the Ski Village next week we have a range of sizes of the "Core" and "TTT" for everyone to try!
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