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    #1 Topic:  Raven Snowboards?
    Posted 6 December 2010 - 1:01pm on Freeski Club UK
    Hi I was looking into buying a new park board.
    And after looking at the usual big names I came across Raven

    There is not alot of information about them on the net but they claim to make their boards

    "in the two best factories in the world: Elan (where also Nitro, Artec or Arbor are produced) and Nobile (where Burton is produced)".

    I am very interested in these boards and wondered if anyone had anymore information for me. Or has got/tried one of their boards.

    The one i'm looking at is

    http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320617238717&ssPage...

    Thanks in advance
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    #2 Reply:  Raven Snowboards?
    Posted 6 December 2010 - 5:07pm on Freeski Club UK
    Never heard of them so I can't really pass judgement on what those boards are like. However, I do know that there are a number of companies who have boards made in those factories but that fact doesn't make those boards good.

    The fact that there are just two unknown riders on the Raven team rings alarm bells, also the lack of technical information. You have to consider that the boards are cheap for a reason, it's not all brand markup.
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    #3 Reply:  Raven Snowboards?
    Posted 6 December 2010 - 5:34pm on Freeski Club UK
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    # Level - Beginner to pro-riders


    Quite a broad spectrum of ability there...
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    #4 Reply:  Raven Snowboards?
    Posted 6 December 2010 - 6:16pm on Freeski Club UK
    I bought a super cheap (£70), brand new board off ebay last year. It was promoted in the same way, i.e. made in same factory as yadda yadda yadda...

    Turned out to be a perfectly serviceable board. You could tell it wasn't expensive though - it just seemed a bit thin and didn't exude that feeling of quality you might get when you spend top dollar.

    Rode it for a while before selling on to buy something else just for the fun of it, but
    I'd buy one again if I needed a board and was having to watch the pennies.

    I'll say again though, this wasn't a Raven, just a similar class of board.
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    #5 Reply:  Raven Snowboards?
    Posted 6 December 2010 - 6:54pm on Freeski Club UK
    this type of things come sup often, basically you get what you pay for, mots board are about 300 quid so if a board is 100 then...well you get my drift. As charly says they may be made in that factory but doenst mean they are made with the same materials to the same spec, tescos basics are often made in the same factory as they expesnive stuff but using far inferior ingredients. Not saying it will definatly be crap it may well be fine for you for a while but you really do get what you pay for so dont expect much Smile
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    #6 Reply:  Raven Snowboards?
    Posted 14 May 2011 - 12:08pm on Freeski Club UK
    Our boards are made with exactly the same materials as all other boards on the market. There is actually only one austrian base and laminates supplier - ISOSPORT. Most of the Raven boards use old (2-3 years old) burton shapes (Nobile was producing boards for Burton) but all flat camber shapes are new. Raven is the most popular brand on the polish market.
    Please don't compare Elan to Nobile. 50% of Elan production are "PU-Wood-Core" (it's 90% PU and 10% wood) boards for Decathlon, Intersport or Sport2000 and many of these boards can be found on eBay. Nobile concentrates only on tip-to-tail wood core boards and it can only be compared to GST.
    Please let me know if you are going to organise some test. I will eagerly send you some boards for testing.
    We are also introducing a new high-end brand Pathron (we will use all available technologies like honey-comb, kevlar, sintered bases) and the retail price should be under 180GBP. It will be available for testing in September.

    Greetings from Poland

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    #7 Reply:  Raven Snowboards?
    Posted 14 May 2011 - 3:32pm on Freeski Club UK
    send us a free board for scuk members to test and review , may give you valuable feed back and possible sales

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    #8 Reply:  Raven Snowboards?
    Posted 15 May 2011 - 12:45pm on Freeski Club UK
    Ok. I will come back to you at the end of September.
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    #9 Reply:  Raven Snowboards?
    Posted 16 May 2011 - 2:52pm on Freeski Club UK
    Ill have a free board if your giving em away?
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    #10 Reply:  Raven Snowboards?
    Posted 16 May 2011 - 3:00pm on Freeski Club UK
    something a bit odd, the same two team riders are also team riders for these guys:

    http://www.screwboards.com/team.html

    i'd give it a wide birth, you can get a board from a known entity for £150 in the sales. They might turn out a quality product, but i'd let someone else find out first.
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    #11 Reply:  Raven Snowboards?
    Posted 16 May 2011 - 3:13pm on Freeski Club UK
    Although the chap who replied did seem genuine enough, and if what he says is kosher then fair enough.

    But, considering I bought a brand new 2011 K2 WWW from my local store for less that £200 I think your local store would be a better place to start from.
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    #12 Reply:  Raven Snowboards?
    Posted 16 May 2011 - 3:24pm on Freeski Club UK
    That would be good if you could get a few for the sum-tember bash. That way a wide range of riders can give it a blast and all give there opinions on here. Maybe after the test give them away as prizes aswell.
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    #13 Reply:  Raven Snowboards?
    Posted 16 May 2011 - 4:42pm on Freeski Club UK
    Honeycomb , Kevlar and a sintered base all for 180.00 GBP ? RRP or cost price?? If it's retail dream on
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    #14 Reply:  Raven Snowboards?
    Posted 16 May 2011 - 6:21pm on Freeski Club UK
    hes sent me some details, they also do sapient snowboards, im going to get a couple in this year and see what theyre like.
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    #15 Reply:  Raven Snowboards?
    Posted 16 May 2011 - 7:13pm on Freeski Club UK
    Im up for trying it , esepecialy if its free , would be a nice board for all SCUKERS to try at summer bash at Tam , if it is sent by then ? If he send one ( if he agrees we can get it sent to SCUK office
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    #16 Reply:  Raven Snowboards?
    Posted 16 May 2011 - 7:43pm on Freeski Club UK
    if i get a couple ill lend them out to people if they wanna try it for a day.
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    #17 Reply:  Raven Snowboards?
    Posted 22 May 2011 - 6:06pm on Freeski Club UK
    @cantridepete - Currently Aleksandra von Engel is riding for us. She is is pretty good in Poland: http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff166/pyc-sport/Ola_von_Engel/von_eng...
    @MotoXXX - 180.00 GBP RRP. There will be two models: FR and FS (I would rather call it AM/FS). Here are the first photos of the samples:
    FR:
    http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff166/pyc-sport/deski/pathron/pathron...
    http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff166/pyc-sport/deski/pathron/pathron...
    http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff166/pyc-sport/deski/pathron/pathron...
    FS:
    http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff166/pyc-sport/deski/pathron/pathron...
    http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff166/pyc-sport/deski/pathron/pathron...
    http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff166/pyc-sport/deski/pathron/pathron...
    http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff166/pyc-sport/deski/pathron/pathron...
    http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff166/pyc-sport/deski/pathron/pathron...
    http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff166/pyc-sport/deski/pathron/pathron...
    http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff166/pyc-sport/deski/pathron/pathron...
    Frankly speaking I'm not fully satisfied with how the Pathron FR rides (I always compare every FR board to my Sapient PNB2) but the AM/FS is really good.
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    #18 Reply:  Raven Snowboards?
    Posted 22 May 2011 - 7:36pm on Freeski Club UK
    How do your margins work ?? If you offer retailers a healthy 47% - 50% margin , so a buy in price around £90 - £94 ( working on a £180.00rrp ) your cost price/manufacture cost must be around £40? Maybe less to give yourselfs a good margin too?
    If it's like that how do you it??
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    #19 Reply:  Raven Snowboards?
    Posted 22 May 2011 - 10:29pm on Freeski Club UK
    Maybe they only sell direct? I'm probably being naive but that would mean he can sell a board on ebay for £180 which would otherwise have to cost £360 in a normal retailer?
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    #20 Reply:  Raven Snowboards?
    Posted 23 May 2011 - 9:46am on Freeski Club UK
    I will not tell you how much I earn with the boards and how much a retailer can earn with Pathron but I can give you an example how it works with other brands (at least in Poland). The retailer usually gets a 40% discount from the RPR price (we have a 23% VAT) .

    This would give 108GBP brutto. Margin is not the same as discount. In this case, the netto price is 87,80GBP (101EUR). The retailer margin is 67% then.


    I will not tell you the manufacturing cost but a production of high-end boards (let's say with carbon, triax, sintered base) comparing to basic boards is only 40% more expensive. Big brands earn a lot of money with their expensive models.

    My problem is that we are not able to sell 500 boards of the same model directly (from the economic point of view it doesn't make sense to produce less than 500 boards/model), so the only way to sell so many boards is to offer them to other retailers and keep our whole sale margins very low.

    @MotoXXX - 40GBP may be enough to produce a CAP board in China but is not enough for even a basic sidewall board made in Europe Smile
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    #21 Reply:  Raven Snowboards?
    Posted 23 May 2011 - 10:13am on Freeski Club UK
    Tell you what I like the look of the boards. The FS with the 'junkyard' type pattern looks really nice
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    #22 Reply:  Raven Snowboards?
    Posted 23 May 2011 - 4:17pm on Freeski Club UK
    +1 for above me toooo .... i may just get one to mess and trash etc , without worrying to much
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    Posted 26 May 2011 - 11:30am on Freeski Club UK
    Was thinking the same thing, even if its nots mega, indoors you don't get full use of boards anyway so as long as it rides fairly nicely and is quite flexable I would consider getting one as a jib stick to run into the ground.be good to hear if someone does get one or even better, to get a demo board for the Sum-tember Bash. But props on the designs I think they are really nice looking boards.
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    #24 Reply:  Raven Snowboards?
    Posted 26 May 2011 - 11:43am on Freeski Club UK
    +1 and props to marpyc for even taking the time and effort to reply on here and be happy to try to educate everyone and answer their questions - I also looked at Raven and was not sure as there was not a lot of info or reviews around. Even better if prepared to send some boards for trial to get some feedback as it shows faith in their product at least.
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    #25 Reply:  Raven Snowboards?
    Posted 15 July 2011 - 10:12am on Freeski Club UK
    Anyone had a go of these raven boards yet?

    Thinking I might buy one as a first board.
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    Posted 15 July 2011 - 4:35pm on Freeski Club UK
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    #27 Reply:  Raven Snowboards?
    Posted 15 July 2011 - 5:25pm on Freeski Club UK
    marpyc wrote:
    Our boards are made with exactly the same materials as all other boards on the market. There is actually only one austrian base and laminates supplier - ISOSPORT. Most of the Raven boards use old (2-3 years old) burton shapes (Nobile was producing boards for Burton) but all flat camber shapes are new. Raven is the most popular brand on the polish market.
    Please don't compare Elan to Nobile. 50% of Elan production are "PU-Wood-Core" (it's 90% PU and 10% wood) boards for Decathlon, Intersport or Sport2000 and many of these boards can be found on eBay. Nobile concentrates only on tip-to-tail wood core boards and it can only be compared to GST.
    Please let me know if you are going to organise some test. I will eagerly send you some boards for testing.
    We are also introducing a new high-end brand Pathron (we will use all available technologies like honey-comb, kevlar, sintered bases) and the retail price should be under 180GBP. It will be available for testing in September.

    Greetings from Poland

    Marcin


    Seriously? You really want to open up this can of worms? Do even know what most Intersport, Decathlon and Sport2000s sell? Most sold board at Decathlon over the last few years has been the Rossi One Mag built in Rossi's Spanish fab. Do you have any idea how difficult it is to find boards that don't use wood cores? Every rental board I've been proposed over the last three years has been full wood core.

    Don't compare Nobile to Elan? I'd agree with that. I'd go with Elan 10 times out of 10 as they're a professional fab that don't use old Burton designs as some sort of weak marketing crutch. I would even go so far as to say that Elan has better facilities and process than GST, certainly feels that way when riding sticks out of those respective fabs.

    Your website is terrible. No specs on anything (although seeing how all your product is at least a decade old I'm hardly surprised by this), ancient design, broken links, and no useful information on anything. Why even publish it? You're destined to live and die the life of an ebay vendor.

    Why on earth would you even start a high-end brand when you can't establish a basic one? Any thoughts as to where you're laying the kevlar and honeycomb, or are you going to rip-off another big name?

    You WILL NOT break into retail locations that matter (UK, Alpine, US) with your current line no matter what you offer. Even at 3:1 depot/vente I wouldn't stock your gear.

    Good luck and send me a demo! Wink
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    #28 Reply:  Raven Snowboards?
    Posted 15 July 2011 - 5:34pm on Freeski Club UK
    Sounds like we have a fan.

    have to agree that the website is bad though. Had to come here for board info. :S
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    #29 Reply:  Raven Snowboards?
    Posted 15 July 2011 - 7:22pm on Freeski Club UK
    Grill wrote:
    marpyc wrote:
    Our boards are made with exactly the same materials as all other boards on the market. There is actually only one austrian base and laminates supplier - ISOSPORT. Most of the Raven boards use old (2-3 years old) burton shapes (Nobile was producing boards for Burton) but all flat camber shapes are new. Raven is the most popular brand on the polish market.
    Please don't compare Elan to Nobile. 50% of Elan production are "PU-Wood-Core" (it's 90% PU and 10% wood) boards for Decathlon, Intersport or Sport2000 and many of these boards can be found on eBay. Nobile concentrates only on tip-to-tail wood core boards and it can only be compared to GST.
    Please let me know if you are going to organise some test. I will eagerly send you some boards for testing.
    We are also introducing a new high-end brand Pathron (we will use all available technologies like honey-comb, kevlar, sintered bases) and the retail price should be under 180GBP. It will be available for testing in September.

    Greetings from Poland

    Marcin


    Seriously? You really want to open up this can of worms? Do even know what most Intersport, Decathlon and Sport2000s sell? Most sold board at Decathlon over the last few years has been the Rossi One Mag built in Rossi's Spanish fab. Do you have any idea how difficult it is to find boards that don't use wood cores? Every rental board I've been proposed over the last three years has been full wood core.

    Don't compare Nobile to Elan? I'd agree with that. I'd go with Elan 10 times out of 10 as they're a professional fab that don't use old Burton designs as some sort of weak marketing crutch. I would even go so far as to say that Elan has better facilities and process than GST, certainly feels that way when riding sticks out of those respective fabs.

    Your website is terrible. No specs on anything (although seeing how all your product is at least a decade old I'm hardly surprised by this), ancient design, broken links, and no useful information on anything. Why even publish it? You're destined to live and die the life of an ebay vendor.

    Why on earth would you even start a high-end brand when you can't establish a basic one? Any thoughts as to where you're laying the kevlar and honeycomb, or are you going to rip-off another big name?

    You WILL NOT break into retail locations that matter (UK, Alpine, US) with your current line no matter what you offer. Even at 3:1 depot/vente I wouldn't stock your gear.

    Good luck and send me a demo! Wink


    So you seem to swing the bat a bit.

    What's the beef with Raven?

    Think I'd be wasting my money?
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    #30 Reply:  Raven Snowboards?
    Posted 15 July 2011 - 8:21pm on Freeski Club UK
    No beef with Raven, just start-up snowboard companies that do it to make a quick buck as opposed to actually contributing to product advancement.
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    #31 Reply:  Raven Snowboards?
    Posted 15 July 2011 - 8:55pm on Freeski Club UK
    Grill wrote:
    No beef with Raven, just start-up snowboard companies that do it to make a quick buck as opposed to actually contributing to product advancement.


    Bit of a dilemma really isn't it. This company offers what looks like a decent, shiny new product for a bargain price and you have to understand that someone like my friends and I, who are new to the snowboard racket (BMXers by trade) and don't really have the nouse to shop for a used, may not be in a position to spring top dollar for the boundary-pushing product. Gaps in the market are always gonna get filled. :S

    Also, whilst I sympathise with your views, you have to admit that their RRP speaks volumes on mark ups from the bigger names.

    Anyway sans politics and momentarily putting aside your seething hatred for vampire new start ups, would you say they're a bad buy for a first board? Mostly pistes with a few kickers and a bit of that buttery stuff?

    I'm also open to suggestions on reasonable alternatives Smile
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