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#62 Reply:  Snow Leopard
Posted 21 April 2010 - 3:19pm on Freeski Club UK
As its £25 I think I'll just do it.
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#63 Reply:  Snow Leopard
Posted 21 April 2010 - 3:22pm on Freeski Club UK
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Also some of the proper mac pro towers are far more advanced than most PC's you'd get at 8 core craziness.


They have been around for consumer PC builders for years now... N even the most high end Mac Pro you can buy is completely dwarfed n made insignificant by the power of the latest PC hardware availible


N Lez, i've used the Macs for about n hour 30 at college in the lil media room when I had a stupidly long break til me next lesson, I didn't really notice any difference as I was on MSN/Internet the whole time, lack of right click was rather annoying though
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#64 Reply:  Snow Leopard
Posted 21 April 2010 - 3:27pm on Freeski Club UK
Yeah, £25 is painless but most of what you get is under the hood so its only useful for newer apps specially pro apps, on the GUI cosmetics side I only noticed the folders on dock and expose on dock, ah and the snow leopard desktop background (my default now Smile ).

For pc mac debate:
1. don't feed the troll
2. not helpful as it has nothing to do with the original question
3. can we have moderation on this?
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#65 Reply:  Snow Leopard
Posted 21 April 2010 - 3:30pm on Freeski Club UK
HarryCambs wrote:

3. can we have moderation on this?


why..don't like?? don't read

it's the inn, take a chill pill...or you after a moderator job??? Wink
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#66 Reply:  Snow Leopard
Posted 21 April 2010 - 3:31pm on Freeski Club UK
If that is all you used while on a Mac you can really say anything about the OS etc.

My Mac is set up so I tap the touchpad with two fingers and it gives you the right click options. Once you have set them up to the way you like and thing like hot corners I find such a good idea.
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#67 Reply:  Snow Leopard
Posted 21 April 2010 - 3:33pm on Freeski Club UK
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My Mac is set up so I tap the touchpad with two fingers and it gives you the right click options. Once you have set them up to the way you like and thing like hot corners I find such a good idea.



The touchpad on le' Macbook is one of the reasons I quite like it, pinch to zoom is most useful
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#68 Reply:  Snow Leopard
Posted 21 April 2010 - 3:42pm on Freeski Club UK
ooh all this Mac talk has got me wanting a new laptop!! Hmm how much are we looking at for one? Wink
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#69 Reply:  Snow Leopard
Posted 21 April 2010 - 3:45pm on Freeski Club UK
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#70 Reply:  Snow Leopard
Posted 21 April 2010 - 3:47pm on Freeski Club UK
Good entry one is the MacBook, got my mum one and made her stop calling me every week asking me why the pc stopped working. They start at £816 and come with the pinch zoom (which what sold it to my mum) Smile
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#71 Reply:  Snow Leopard
Posted 21 April 2010 - 5:17pm on Freeski Club UK
at the moment I have everything set up on PC laptop, but would quite like a mac. I have a lot of RAW images in photoshop along with a couple of hard drives set up to PC. Can these these easily be migrated to MAC and its OS??
I take photos...
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#72 Reply:  Snow Leopard
Posted 21 April 2010 - 5:56pm on Freeski Club UK
I would say if you use RAW you need a Mac. Raw support is built in and you have apps like iPhoto, Aperture and Lightroom. You might need a MacBook Pro for Aperture thought.
Just to let you know I bought my iMac just to run Aperture and was a life changing experience, is like having a darkroom in your finger tips Smile
Conectivity wise a Mac can access all PC stuff through USB or over the network (while the pc...) but I never tried NTFS USB drives, anyone with any experience with that?
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#73 Reply:  Snow Leopard
Posted 21 April 2010 - 7:16pm on Freeski Club UK
HarryCambs wrote:
I would say if you use RAW you need a Mac.


Why so? Just wondering cos I have a PC and have been running PS Elements and now CS3 no worries and it deals with my RAW stuff brilliantly!
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#74 Reply:  Snow Leopard
Posted 21 April 2010 - 7:27pm on Freeski Club UK
I do Bart, but what happens for users like me who don't need to pay £100's of pounds an hour because we're competent enough to have built our systems in the first place and also capable of maintaining them?

I'd also be very interested to know what software it is exactly you're pertaining to, as I use a lot of open source software with no problems and obviously, no cost.

Edit: I use RAW and use my PC with Lightroom no worries at all, 7 auto-installed a codec I needed to display RAW files in the standard viewer - why do I need a Mac for RAW? Razz

Also Les: What if a lot of people are genuinely happy with their Burton products? Ergo, users like me who're genuinely happy with Windows?
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#75 Reply:  Snow Leopard
Posted 21 April 2010 - 8:02pm on Freeski Club UK
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why do I need a Mac for RAW?


You don't

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users like me who're genuinely happy with Windows?


Be happy that you're supporting a company that gives billions upon billions to change the world for better
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#76 Reply:  Snow Leopard
Posted 22 April 2010 - 7:34am on Freeski Club UK
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Be happy that you're supporting a company that gives billions upon billions to change the world for better


The company don't... the man who started it all does...
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#77 Reply:  Snow Leopard
Posted 22 April 2010 - 8:23am on Freeski Club UK
ChasKi wrote:
I do Bart, but what happens for users like me who don't need to pay £100's of pounds an hour because we're competent enough to have built our systems in the first place and also capable of maintaining them?

I'd also be very interested to know what software it is exactly you're pertaining to, as I use a lot of open source software with no problems and obviously, no cost.

ChasKi,
Then you save a bundle of cash, but there will be people out there who aren't at all techie who will need help and support in the home environment.
In the work place it'll obviously be different as they'll employ IT staff to do any work that needs to be done, though I doubt when it comes to software they'd trust open source software to handle mission critical/valuable data input, production or backup.

As Lez has said, he's looking to upgrade to the latest version on Apple's system software (Mac OS 10.6 'Snow Leapord') from what I imagine is 10.5.x ('Leopard'), which is £25 - there is only one version of the software, so whatever machine you've got you get the top line software and there's a very good chance it'll run very smoothly without any speed hit in performance (though normally everything runs quicker)

Anyone upgrading from XP to Vista had four choices: Home Basic (£59.96* inc Service Pack 1), Home Premium (£73.99*, inc. SP1), Business (£119.95*, inc SP1) or Ultimate (£201.13*, inc SP1).
* Prices are from Amazon (as a lot of home users might look there to buy it from there, or PC World, etc), and are Amazon's current prices (many reduced from the original RRP.)

I seem to remember that a lot of people who were upgrading to Vista complaining that their current PC/laptops were unable to run it because their graphics cards/memory was inadiquate, so you'd have to value in the price of new boards/chips as well...

Then there is the next version on from XP/Vista, Windows 7, which comes in only three versions: Home Premium (£66.69†), Professional (£149.20†) and Ultimate (£151.80†).
† These prices are from Microsoft's own website, and are for upgrade versions from XP or Vista to Windows 7. For some reason the full, non-upgrade versions cost more?!?!

So, £25 or (at least) £60-odd. Humm...

Then there's anti-virus software.
Macs: Most people don't buy and install any on their Macs as PC viruses, malware or spyware don't infect or affect the Mac OS (though if you were a Mac user who received a Word or other document that was infected, and passed that infected document on to a PC user, they could become infected if they didn't have anti-virus software - but all PCs have anti-virus software, right?) Cost: NIL
PCs: Lots of software available from the likes of PC World, from DriveSentry (£5) to Norton 360 v.3 Premier Edition (£69.99) - not using anti-virus software myself I've no idea if you have to subscribe or pay for updates to keep up with the latest bugs. And no doubt there's free programs out there too, but most businesses again wouldn't trust it in the workplace.

As for bundled software with the Mac, I've not opened up a brand new Mac for a while so might be a little vague on what's included, but most people highlight iPhoto, iMovie, GarageBand, iWeb and iDVD along with the usual Spotlight, Dashboard, Mail, iChat, Safari, Address Book, QuickTime, iCal, DVD Player and Photo Booth.
I've no idea what the Windows equivalents are, or if they're as easy and intuitive to use... Not sure

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[Be happy that you're supporting a company that gives billions upon billions to change the world for better

Kieren's right: Microsoft don't give anything away - it's the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation that gives money to charity.
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#78 Reply:  Snow Leopard
Posted 22 April 2010 - 8:52am on Freeski Club UK
Bart there is a lot of open source used in business. They make there money by charging for support instead of charging for the product.
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#79 Reply:  Snow Leopard
Posted 22 April 2010 - 10:32am on Freeski Club UK
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#80 Reply:  Snow Leopard
Posted 22 April 2010 - 1:37pm on Freeski Club UK
Apple products are excellent, there're no two ways about it, but arguing whether Mac or PC is better for the home user beyond personal preference is pointless. One may be better for you, and therefore you think one is better than the other, but both can do what each other does on a user level. What Macs have going for them is that because the OS is specifically written for the hardware they are inherently more stable in a wider range of circumstances (that's not to say they are any more stable than a stable PC - stable is stable, and stable PC's aren't hard to achieve). This is, of course, also a limiting factor as your choice of hardware is restricted to one manufacturer.

Macs are certainly used in business to an extent, but generally only because they are preferred by graphical/audio engineering workers and thus are generally used more or less exclusively in those areas. You'll probably find MD's quite fancying the look of a Mac as well, and why wouldn't they, until they realise that support for many core business applications just isn't available (this may change to some extent when traditional client-server based apps move more towards browser-based clients...some have, some haven't). However, they are are not, and never will be, used to the extent that Windows or Unix-based OS's are in the workplace, which means the global computer infrastructure is run primarily by things other than Macs. For example, Apple offer no virtual, 'hypervisor' type platform which is where network infrastructure is at right now, and none of the existing stuff runs on Mac architecture. Macs are strictly for the mostly low level home user, or a business user that needs or has been trained on a specific task-related application (please don't anyone take this as an insult, when I say low level I'm comparing to high-level business applications/infrastructures).

Computers are moving on, cloud computing is becoming ever more popular and sooner or later your general home user doing a bit of surfing and this and that will more or less not even notice the OS they are using. Everyone will be running an extremely thin, generic, chip-based OS and logging into Google OS.... Smile Switching on your computer will be like turning on a DVD player.

This is just personal opinion of course, but to qualify it somewhat I've spent 10 years working in the computer industry, 6 of those as a technical consultant for a computer services company, so I've used all major (and minor) OS implementations to death.

Personally, I use a PC. I can make it do anything I want, in either home or business use, so it works for me. Unforuntately, a Mac would be an epic fail because it just doesn't support anywhere near the amount of stuff I need it to.
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#81 Reply:  Snow Leopard
Posted 22 April 2010 - 2:49pm on Freeski Club UK
Ehh, it's also worth pointing out Bart that Microsoft got slammed by EU law recently didn't it, for providing free software with its OS's as it was deemed 'unfair' to competitors in the market? Most specifically with IE. I don't know if anything similar has happened with Apple's OS's.

At the moment my Uni provide free AV for me on XP or Vista, but currently (and previously) I'm using free services with no problems for long periods of time. I don't know what all those Apple apps do, but I'm fairly sure there will be a Windows equivalent (not necessarily produced by Microsoft) and quite often you can find something Open Source that does the job, for free.

With more and more people being computer literate and increasing reliance of computers in education, let alone social networking etc etc I personally don't see the need for a one stop shop solution as a growing necessity. I also increasingly think that reliance on more menial products (like iCal) etc are being done away with for webapps and the whole "web 2.0" idea. With sites like rememberthemilk, GoogleCalendar, Contacts, Docs replacing the need for a standalone application. For the most part, unless you need something of industry standard, like Photoshop or Final Cut I'd say your needs can be fulfilled with a few minutes on the PC.

I genuinely find Macs attractive for the lesser significance of Virus threats, but then Windows OS's hold nearly a 90% market share in 2010, with Apple OS's floating at around 7% of the market. No wonder there are more threats to Windows systems. That doesn't change the fact that you end up potentially having to pay more, however. My point being here is that if Apple OS's were given the same market share, would they be so Virus and malware free? Ich don't think zo. The analogy of Windows being a secure house with bars on the 'Windows' and doors in the ghetto part of city and OSX being the country house in rural Canada with no locks on the doors is probably my favourite.

Also, isn't Mac OSX and various parts of its other apps (including Safari) Open Source anyway? To that end, wouldn't that entirely negate the use of Macs for anything mission critical/important data logging etc if Open Source products can't be trusted? Razz
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