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#32 Reply:  Snow Leopard
Posted 20 April 2010 - 5:23pm on Freeski Club UK
I haven't noticed much difference, still have a couple of ppc macs at home running old savanna leopard and my intel iMac running snow leopard. Guess you need it for new apps like Aperture 3. If you really want to improve web browsing performance and stop the mac crashing for good install clicktoflash or just disable plugins on browser preferences, flash is a dog and eats up every bit of ram and cpu it can find and crashes your mac.
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#33 Reply:  Snow Leopard
Posted 20 April 2010 - 6:15pm on Freeski Club UK
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... flash is a dog and eats up every bit of ram and cpu it can find and crashes your mac.

That's why Apple won't allow Flash to run on the iPhone/iPod Touch/iPad - it would just run too slowly and drain the battery too quickly.
As an alternative they're supporting HTML5 video and quite a few websites are adopting this as their standard.
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#34 Reply:  Snow Leopard
Posted 20 April 2010 - 6:18pm on Freeski Club UK
Newsflash to apple and apple fanboys: Nobody cares about HTML5, you're a tiny part of the Market and it's never going to become the standard
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#35 Reply:  Snow Leopard
Posted 20 April 2010 - 6:42pm on Freeski Club UK
Yeh, Sony and the rest said that about the original iPod...
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#36 Reply:  Snow Leopard
Posted 20 April 2010 - 6:45pm on Freeski Club UK
Self edit: Cba to argue, not even going to be working on macs in me life profession [IT repair] as no serious business uses them
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#37 Reply:  Snow Leopard
Posted 20 April 2010 - 6:54pm on Freeski Club UK
I must admit I've never heard of IPX/SPX before, but a quick look on Wiki says it was something Microsoft developed, so no wonder it failed :/

Maybe Adobe should make a 64-bit version of Flash then? Mac OS-X is a true 64-bit operating system - they ought to get with the new technologies

You're training to work in IT! I thought you were playing with the kiddies?
Still, if you're doing that you're virtually guaranteed lots of work as Windows needs so much maintenance to keep it going Wink
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#38 Reply:  Snow Leopard
Posted 20 April 2010 - 6:58pm on Freeski Club UK
Not going to reply to ya troll posts mate, you need to read up more on the Apple/Adobe confrontations if you're gonna make retarded comments like that, Apple are the ones who are always behind on new tech - as soon as a mac is released, it is out of date... mmm useful

N yeah, there's a great market for IT Support and Windows, as it's a bloody good operating system - the reason why almost 90% of everyone using a computer in the world has it, more people using it = more people likely to have an issue.
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#39 Reply:  Snow Leopard
Posted 21 April 2010 - 12:51am on Freeski Club UK
Why the fsck do we get windows fanboys on mac related threads?
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#40 Reply:  Snow Leopard
Posted 21 April 2010 - 1:17am on Freeski Club UK
Everyone is entitled to my opinion, regardless of their computing preferences
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#41 Reply:  Snow Leopard
Posted 21 April 2010 - 5:37am on Freeski Club UK
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Self edit: Cba to argue, not even going to be working on macs in me life profession [IT repair] as no serious business uses them


surely thats a bit short sited though sidge, with the growth of mac year on year, many businesses are now moving to mac

especially those in a graphic/magazine design, animation and multimedia spheres

also apple are winning the war in the schools, their one2one programme is growing year on year, so a new generation of kids are using macs at school and will take that knowledge and experience into the workplace (that's how we ended up with the first one)

to restrict your future use in the computer industry with such a shorted sited view seems a bit silly

the UK site of the company had approx 2500 PC only machines on site 2 years ago, there are now 60-80 macs and more are being added as the PC's reach there life expiry (we're one of the worlds largest helicopter companies so not a media based industry)

although PC specialists, all our IT geeks are doing mac courses (and most own a mac at home anyway)... so whilst i'm sure you find it funny to bate the macgeeks... don't restrict your future in IT by restricting your capabilities on either platform Very Happy
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#42 Reply:  Snow Leopard
Posted 21 April 2010 - 8:07am on Freeski Club UK
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there's a great market for IT Support and Windows

There is a market for support of Window because everyone always have problems with it.

Sidget, have you ever used a mac for more than a couple of hours?
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#43 Reply:  Snow Leopard
Posted 21 April 2010 - 8:17am on Freeski Club UK
Branny and Lez are right - the kids who use iPods, iPhones and Macs for themselves today and find them easy to use and very reliable (with a far lower 'total cost of ownership' than a Windows PC) may be the CEO's/IT Managers/buyers of 10-15-20 years time. And what are they going to specify their companys use? Computers that require far less maintenance and support than high-maintenance PCs.

Don't forget that Mac's are the only computer than can run Mac OS, Windows and Linux on the same machine - Windows PC can't run Mac OS so are limited in the software that they can run
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#44 Reply:  Snow Leopard
Posted 21 April 2010 - 8:34am on Freeski Club UK
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although PC specialists, all our IT geeks are doing mac courses (and most own a mac at home anyway)... so whilst i'm sure you find it funny to bate the macgeeks... don't restrict your future in IT by restricting your capabilities on either platform


this is very true and is becoming ever more so aparrent.

Even when I only used PCs I though windows was sh1te!
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#45 Reply:  Snow Leopard
Posted 21 April 2010 - 8:46am on Freeski Club UK
This is not about the ins and outs of Apple or Microsoft but its about the OS.

I think if the Mac OS could run on a 'normal' PC Microsoft would panic big time.

I got fed up with Windows over the years with it slowing down, getting in a mess so having to reinstall it etc so thought I would give a Mac ago and I wish I did years ago.

When I first used a friends mac I couldn't use or find anything on it. When I got my own and changed the set up of it to the way I like it, it became the easiest thing to use.

I use a Window PC at work and a mac at home and the only thing I find that catches me out in where the @ button is.
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#46 Reply:  Snow Leopard
Posted 21 April 2010 - 11:17am on Freeski Club UK
Can we please not turn a mac question thread into a mac vs pc thread, seems to happen everytime! Please of you don't use a mac to keep off these threads about mac related questions.
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#47 Reply:  Snow Leopard
Posted 21 April 2010 - 11:26am on Freeski Club UK
HarryCambs wrote:
Can we please not turn a mac question thread into a mac vs pc thread, seems to happen everytime! Please of you don't use a mac to keep off these threads about mac related questions.


why??? the original question was answered (i think) and people are just chewing the fat... it's the inn not a proper board anyway.

It happens every time, because it's a debate that will never die.... unlike your PC!!
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#48 Reply:  Snow Leopard
Posted 21 April 2010 - 11:42am on Freeski Club UK
I dont really understand why it's such a big issue? It's still related to the original post..obviously you need to compare it to something similar ie the PC. Let the thread breathe! :-D
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#49 Reply:  Snow Leopard
Posted 21 April 2010 - 11:55am on Freeski Club UK
The thread was started as I wanted to know if Snow Leopard was worth upgrading to as its only £25 (I think it was)

You can only compare Mac OS with another Mac OS as PC's don't use it so people that have PC's can't comment about it.

It's like a thread on Flows and people saying they are crap even if they have never used them or last time they did was over 10 years ago.
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#50 Reply:  Snow Leopard
Posted 21 April 2010 - 1:47pm on Freeski Club UK
double post can someone delete this one?
Edited by ChasKi on 21 Apr 2010 - 2:02pm
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#51 Reply:  Snow Leopard
Posted 21 April 2010 - 1:49pm on Freeski Club UK
dunx wrote:
I didn't think he did too badly at the Olympics for a Scottish/Ghanain [sp?] TBH.


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(with a far lower 'total cost of ownership' than a Windows PC)


Would you care to substantiate that outrageous claim with some evidence, Sir?

I'll admit up front, I'm a PC user and not a fan (generally speaking) of Apple products. Having said that, everything has their place. At the end of the day, the OS is the most significant part of Apple's computer line (in my personal opinion) as the rest of it's just matched hardware that runs together well.

Any decent (read: decent) company worth their salt selling pre-built PC's can provide you with a stable machine specifically suited to your needs. Macs and PC's often share the same hardware manufacturers too, obvious as that is it's often overlooked. This for my tastes means this is actually a debate of Windows VS Mac OSX/Snow Leapord and somewhat akin to the Windows VS Unix in general debates.

Personally I'm not a fan of Mac's GUI's and that's one of the principal reasons I've steered clear, as well as the fact I use my PC as my console and no one produces the games for Mac's (Anyone who suggests I use an emulator on a Mac to play games like Crysis etc is a fool!).

At the end of the day it's all personal preference and choice, much the same as everyone has their own fav. board or bindings as it's what's right for them.
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#52 Reply:  Snow Leopard
Posted 21 April 2010 - 2:14pm on Freeski Club UK
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with a far lower 'total cost of ownership' than a Windows PC


Utter bullsh1t

One of the main reasons I don't want to get a Mac is because of how outdated their technology is, for a rediculous price, they are complete, complete, complete RIPOFFS

The basic Mac pro costs £1940 n the PC i build which OUTPERFORMS IT in every single area of performance - CPU, RAM, HDD, GFX cost just £640

Another benefit of me PC, is that I can easily OC it, my 2.6GHz quad is happily running at 3.42GHz -- Without me having to pay Apple ANOTHER £981 FOR THE 3.3GHZ VERSION!!!! Absolute con!

Another advantage is that I can easily upgrade my PC, if I want a more powerful GPU etc, can easily just put a new one in -- Which relates to another advantage of PC -- Gaming, it's the one reason i could never get a mac, I love gaming

Ability to customize -- Have a brilliant 3rd party CPU cooler on me quad, runs silent as anything n allows teh OC'd CPU to stay nice and cool, thousands of various cases that look far better than the giant steel hulk of the mac, INDIVIDUALITY -- something Steve jobs is afraid of

++ End result is something that's mine and unique, and AMAZING VALUE


Macbooks are nice [teh basic one, far better laptops to get if your paying the high end money of the Macbook pro] but Macs from a hardware perspective -- something i've always been extremely interested in, are a complete outdated fail

That's why I run PC. N oh, and because never every single person I talk to has a PC n not a Mac, they don't like being ripped off for low quality hardware sold at a rediculous price
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#53 Reply:  Snow Leopard
Posted 21 April 2010 - 2:19pm on Freeski Club UK
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That's why I run PC. N oh, and because never every single person I talk to has a PC n not a Mac, they don't like being ripped off for low quality hardware sold at a rediculous price


Not sure I agree with that but Sidge you've turned into a troll in this thread mate, let it go...

about 5 years ago I would never have dreamed of having a Macbook, and I knew no one with them... nowadays the vast majority of my mates (admitidly we are all an agely 29 years old and upwards) have Macbooks and those who don't are getting them next as you don't have to upgrade them every 2 years.

For someone like you who loves putting computers together and installing different bits of kit I'm sure you can get one for cheaper that runs better.... but most people aren't like you, they like to buy it in a shop, take it home, turn it on and use it... and quite simply of all the computers I've owned the Macbook Pro has been the simplest (lucky for me as I'm dumb).
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#54 Reply:  Snow Leopard
Posted 21 April 2010 - 2:22pm on Freeski Club UK
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those who don't are getting them next as you can't* upgrade them every 2 years.


*Edited for accuracy


Who wants a computer that's 2 years old? Extremely outdated...


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For someone like you who loves putting computers together and installing different bits of kit I'm sure you can get one for cheaper that runs better.... but most people aren't like you


Will completely agree with you there, if I didn't have my knowledge of hardware etc, I would be more inclined to take more interest in Macs etc

Would happily have teh standard Macbook though, would be lovely for college work, was gonna get one -- but went on the SCUK bash instead =p
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#55 Reply:  Snow Leopard
Posted 21 April 2010 - 2:24pm on Freeski Club UK
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Who wants a computer that's 2 years old? Extremely outdated...


Not for what most people use them for mate... internet, e-mail, picture editing and microsoft word...
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#56 Reply:  Snow Leopard
Posted 21 April 2010 - 2:30pm on Freeski Club UK
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Not for what most people use them for mate... internet, e-mail, picture editing and microsoft word...



Mustt...have... the shiny shiny!

N yeah I guess so, my lil' £400 laptop from 2006 still does alrite with the basics

I think there should be more enthusiasm on upgrading and buying new tech more often though, it helps push the tech markets to develop faster, more energy efficient hardware, and allows software developers -- including Apple and Microsoft to create more innovative software programs and utilities
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#57 Reply:  Snow Leopard
Posted 21 April 2010 - 2:30pm on Freeski Club UK
Mine's 3 years old and runs Photoshop just as fast as I want it and that's really my only requirement. It's horses for courses isn't it and in the end, people can buy what they want. I for one don't want someone having a go because I own the 'wrong' bit of technology.

I never understood this debate Rolling Eyes
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Posted 21 April 2010 - 2:32pm on Freeski Club UK
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#59 Reply:  Snow Leopard
Posted 21 April 2010 - 2:50pm on Freeski Club UK
Sidge, you're just focusing on initial hardware costs, which is NOT the total cost of ownership - TCO takes into account over the life of the machine how much money has to be spent on software to actually do stuff, keep the machines virus free, upgrading things like the system software, technical support to keep thing thing running and all of that put together.
Over the life of a machine, a Mac (with all of it's bundled software, cheapish system upgrades, and very little support needed from engineers (who can charge £100's/hour) works out much cheaper than a Windows based PC.

Doing a simple search for 'Total cost of ownership mac vs pc' on Google brought up loads of sites, some of which I've listed below (and I've deliberately tried to avoid the Mac 'fanboy' sites just to make it a little less biased for you (but if you want to search and read them yourself, please go ahead)

http://techpatio.com/2010/apple/mac/it-admins-total-cost-ownership-mac-l...
http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/print/9029458/Ding_Mac_vs._PC_cos...
http://whatan00b.com/mac-vs-pc-a-real-comparison
http://www.gadgetell.com/tech/comment/enterprise-mac-vs-pc-at-what-cost/
http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/view/38285
http://macvspc.info/pages/01f-pc_myths_debunked.html
http://www.epinions.com/content_4255752324

At the end of the day, most Mac users just want to 'do' stuff - not spend hours fiddling with the guts of their machines.

Chaski, hope you find this informative Smile
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#60 Reply:  Snow Leopard
Posted 21 April 2010 - 2:53pm on Freeski Club UK
I didn't buy my mac book pro to play games on it.

Sidget, you've not answered my question, have you ever used a Mac and if you have, for how long?

I guess its like thinking Burton are the best until you try someone else.
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#61 Reply:  Snow Leopard
Posted 21 April 2010 - 3:09pm on Freeski Club UK
To answer the original question I upgraded, just cause I fancied doing it can't say I noticed any difference. But It didn't do any harm either, but I feel better that now nearly everything is now running true 64bit.

And as far as the PC / mac debate goes anyone that uses a mac for any time converts. I have a 2 year old mac book and it still runs just as quick and reliable as it ever did. I can never say the same for any PC I've owned even the one with DOS 5 on it.
Also some of the proper mac pro towers are far more advanced than most PC's you'd get at 8 core craziness.
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