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 Posted: Jan 18, 2006 - 09:07 PM
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First post: Dec 14, 2004
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Location: Huddersfield
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if ur a beginner it can be a good idea to unclip and lay the highback flat when you are skating etc cos if u've noticed that if you fall back onto it it will make a mess of your coccyx...
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Sonny
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Posted: Jan 19, 2006 - 01:44 PM
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| yeah, i know my case is hardly water-tight because of the warning on the box (could not see any warning after scrutinising the instructions, only something about the P1 highback)... was just hoping to get lucky because of the ridiculousness of the design. i see that this technically adds to the stiffness but i can't really see how - surely, the highback is only effective when being leaned BACK into, so stopping it moving forward a fraction kind of confuses me. |
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Posted: Jan 19, 2006 - 01:54 PM
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First post: Dec 03, 2005
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Location: Midlands
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| i always unclip or fold down the back binding, 2nd nature to me, i thought it was the done thing |
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Sonny
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Posted: Jan 19, 2006 - 01:58 PM
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| looks like i'm the one who had to destroy his £140 bindings before i learnt. oh well. |
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Posted: Jan 19, 2006 - 04:42 PM
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First post: Nov 26, 2005
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Location: Usk, Wales
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| Sorry you had to learn the hard way. I'm glad I've read this thread. I just hope I remember to act upon it. |
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Morph
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Posted: Jan 19, 2006 - 05:26 PM
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First post: Oct 25, 2005
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I've got a set of P1's - and the guy in the shop said - make sure you flatten your back binding when on chari lifts - as it has a tendency to get crushed and snap off.
It's the carbon high bakcs - although strong enough to take a beating up and down the mountain, seems they are scared of chair lifts!
I reckon you lie - otherwise they'll just screw you over on the small print. |
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Posted: Jan 19, 2006 - 07:49 PM
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| Carbon fibre is only strong in the direction its designed to be, so an impact from the top rather than across the high back would quite easily shatter it |
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Sonny
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Posted: Jan 20, 2006 - 09:50 AM
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morph - i wasn't advised about the highback in the shop when i bought them and was hoping this would get me a refund. they could always just point to the box, in which case i'm pretty fooked and it's an insurance job... and theres a £60 excess, so i only stand to get £80 back. better than nowt though i spose.
and yeah, i have been trying to think of a convincing lie. unfortunately there isn't a lot on the slopes that applies the necessary force in the right direction to snap it, at least nothing that would leave me able to walk into the shop with the shattered bindings in the first place. i should have said it happened in transit in the plane but i think i'm too late because you need a damage report from the airline at the airport i think.
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Post subject: P1
Posted: Jan 20, 2006 - 10:09 AM
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First post: Mar 13, 2005
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Location: Cardiff
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You mentioned getting the P1 instead...if you're thinking about the Carbons then don't bother. The same thing happened to my mate a couple of seasons ago in La Plagne. The highback just snapped.
They may be stiff as..., but there's only about 3 layers of carbon weave in the highbacks so they're not uber-strong.
I've used the Mission (both Step-in and normal) for about 3 years, and got a clout the first time on a lift...no damage other than a slight scratch, and I just unclipped from then on (part of the beauty of the clip is that it's easy to undo!).
I would have thought that leaving the highback up, regardless of which binding you use, runs the same risk of damage... |
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Sonny
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Post subject: RE: P1
Posted: Jan 20, 2006 - 10:59 AM
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First post: Sep 29, 2005
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yeah i saw on the instructions that the P1 have some kind of clip as well. some shop dude still tried to sell me them to alleviate the problem in the future... or maybe cos they're almost twice the price. cheeky get.
i'm pretty sure all other highbacks (including missions with the clip off!) just collapse down when pressure is applied from above by unruly chairlifts.
anyway, thanks for all your advice folks. |
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reno
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Post subject: RE: P1
Posted: Jan 21, 2006 - 09:26 PM
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First post: Mar 28, 2005
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Just spent the week in Avoriaz and remembered someone saying this before, so many times got halfway up the lift and had to unclip it before getting off!
Saying that Ive used them for 6 days and both are scratched to bits already, and im mr careful. |
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Posted: Jan 21, 2006 - 09:48 PM
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First post: Oct 05, 2005
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Location: Bournemouth (Talbot Woods, the real Westside!)...oh, County of Dorset
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Am i the only one who is totally perplexed by this thread?!!
Since the very first day that i set foot on a snowboard way back in 1998 i was told that you should always fold your rear highback down when getting on a chairlift (and that it made sense to do the same on drag lifts too).
I wondered whether there might be any correlation at all between the people who were taught to snowboard on the dry slopes/in the snowdomes and those who have had unfortunate experiences when their highbacks have interfaced with low chairlifts?
I've never really seen anyone abroad leave their highbacks up when getting on a chair. The thought that those learning in England/Wales won't have encountered a chairlift prior to their first trip to the mountains got me wondering about this.......
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Posted: Jan 22, 2006 - 01:14 PM
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First post: Nov 14, 2004
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Location: Bucks / MK Xscape
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Never had any problems with Mission highbacks getting crushed in all the years I've been using them - did have a toe strap sheared off by a lift once though! I personally prefer the clip to lock the highback in place - I find "floppy" highbacks an annoyance.
If you don't want the highbacks locked just don't hook it to the back of the binding to lock it. I know a couple of people who do that just fine. |
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Posted: Jan 24, 2006 - 12:43 AM
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First post: Jan 11, 2006
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Location: University of Warwick or South Kent
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ive got some customs from a few years ago which have the clips and i never bother undoing them on chairlifts and i have been fine. the reason i dont undo them is beacaue the clip also holds the angle of the highback in place and if undone then they loose their position. the clip(FLAD i think its called) is no longer on the newer custom models though.
If you havent already bought a new pair of bindings you could just get a replacement highback or the team highback if you cant get hold of a replacement mission one. |
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Sonny
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Posted: Jan 25, 2006 - 11:20 AM
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First post: Sep 29, 2005
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yeah, i spoke to TSA and a very helpful lad there said i could buy a replacement highback for £25, or even hope that they can get one for nisch when they send thier load of warranty claim bits off to burton. fingers crossed.
so, if anyone fancies some - look for a pair of 3-days-use-new-highback black burton missions in the For Sale forum some time soon...! |
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