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Post subject: Spyder gear
 Posted: Jul 16, 2012 - 11:00 AM
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For those of you with expensive tastes (ie. more money than sense), Sport Pursuit are doing next season's gear at half price (samples).
Seeing the advert made me think...
Can anyone explain what makes a jacket worth £1200 (or £750, or even £500) apart from it coming with the pockets full of cash? |
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Posted: Jul 16, 2012 - 12:38 PM
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Post subject: Re: Spyder gear
Posted: Jul 16, 2012 - 01:53 PM
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Boots wrote:
For those of you with expensive tastes (ie. more money than sense), Sport Pursuit are doing next season's gear at half price (samples).
Seeing the advert made me think...
Can anyone explain what makes a jacket worth £1200 (or £750, or even £500) apart from it coming with the pockets full of cash?
its MUCH better quality. Most brands that people ride in (burton, analog, special blend, westbeach etc etc) are fairly average middle of road (or even poor) when it comes to quality.
stuff like spyder and arcteryx is in a different league. Even burton AK wouldnt come close to a top end coat by these guys. |
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Post subject: Re: Spyder gear
Posted: Jul 16, 2012 - 02:30 PM
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cantridepete wrote:
stuff like spyder and arcteryx is in a different league. Even burton AK wouldnt come close to a top end coat by these guys.
Berghaus' top-of-the-range expedition jacket is £320 and the North Face Himalayan Parka (used on Everest) is £500. If Spyder and Arcteryx are double that, it can only be to attract the 'more money than sense' brigade.
Even my lowly Mera Peak (£250) is still going strong after nearly 10 years.
I have noticed that the quality of snowsports gear doe not seem to be as good as similarly priced climbing gear. I've just ordered an Animal shell for spring (reduced from £175 to £50). We shall see how it compares. |
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Post subject: RE: Re: Spyder gear
Posted: Jul 16, 2012 - 03:17 PM
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not necessarily, northface might call a parka the himalayan but that doesnt make it the best on the market....
i would put northface along side people like mammutt, rab, patagonia etc still short of real top end stuff.
I might be wrong of course, its just how i see it  |
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Posted: Jul 16, 2012 - 04:25 PM
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It is proper expedition stuff, designed for Alpine/Himalayan use. An expedition kit list will include brands like TNF, Berghaus, Mountain Equipment, Marmot, Patagonia, all of whose most expensive jacket is less than half the price of Spyder's.
Just don't make no sense!
Spyder gear is very popular with Russians and bankers though! |
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Posted: Jul 16, 2012 - 04:38 PM
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| if you ever get the chance, try on a spyder jacket and you will see where some of the money goes, fit, feel, fabric etc, feels like wearing a tailored cloud. also tech like their X static with silver coated fibres adds to the cost, silver helps with odour and insulation, they also use a tech to stick metal logos on instead of stitching, increasing the waterproof'ness , all adds up, with spyder its all in the detail and little touches, check one out in a shop, youll see. IMO you get what you pay for |
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Posted: Jul 16, 2012 - 04:50 PM
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MotoXXX wrote:
if you ever get the chance, try on a spyder jacket and you will see where some of the money goes, fit, feel, fabric etc, feels like wearing a tailored cloud. IMO you get what you pay for
I will, and if I end up buying one I will NOT be happy!
Still can't see it though. |
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Post subject: Re: Spyder gear
Posted: Jul 16, 2012 - 05:36 PM
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Boots wrote:
...I have noticed that the quality of snowsports gear doe not seem to be as good as similarly priced climbing gear....
In the same way, snowboard gear isn't as good as similarly priced ski gear. Even Helly Hansen stuff is better made than all the Burton, Bonfire, 686 clothing I've seen or used. It seems you really are paying for image with snowboard gear. The only reason I've switched to snowboard brands recently is because the design seems to suit snowboarding better, but the quality is no way near as good. I had an Eider jacket for a while and that was great! |
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Post subject: RE: Re: Spyder gear
Posted: Jul 16, 2012 - 06:45 PM
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Spyder gear is seriously high end stuff, so this is actually a pretty good sale that Sport Pursuit have on. The other bonus by the looks of things is that they have improved their styling a bit for next season (not that I'm one to judge though!) It is significantly better quality than most winter sports gear. High level water and wind proofing, strong insulation but yet ridiculously light and very hard wearing.
The question is whether you really need something this good or not. I have 2 friends who do a significant amount of ski touring both in Scotland and in the Alps and they swear by this stuff. For their needs it is ideal.
Snowboarding 'brands' (Westbeach, Burton, 686 etc) are by comparison much lower quality, but to be fair they will suit the needs of the average snowboarder (ie 1-2 weeks away a year and UK winter usage;) so they generally represent a better investment for most people. I would say that only the Burton AK and top-end Quiksilver gear starts to get close to the top level ski gear - Spyder, Arcteryx etc. But I would say you only really need this stuff if you do a lot of backcountry or maybe if you're considering a season and want something that's going to last you day in, day out.
On the subject of The North Face - I don't really rate most of the TNF stuff TBH. My wife has had some of their soft goods (fleeces, hoodies) and the quality has been awful - seams tearing after only a few wears. They've also started (as have Berghuas) to market lower end stuff aiming at the Chav types; like Helly did a few years ago. I think only their top end stuff is work a look. |
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Post subject: RE: Re: Spyder gear
Posted: Jul 16, 2012 - 11:02 PM
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Post subject: RE: Re: Spyder gear
Posted: Jul 17, 2012 - 01:33 AM
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I've never understood how people can rave about the 'fit' of an obscenely expensive bit of clothing. It is still essentially 'off the rack' it's not been tailored to 'fit' me.
A suit made by a master tailor, measured and made just for you? Yeah i can see that going for a stupid amount of cash and it being justified.
My mate bought a £150 T-shirt i laughed at him so much he never wore it again.
But then again there is marketing to be had in stupid price tags, it becomes an aspirational item. I'd never have heard of spyder otherwise. |
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Post subject: RE: Re: Spyder gear
Posted: Jul 17, 2012 - 08:32 AM
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| I'll be honest, poor clothing has never forced me off a mountain, or, to my recollection, has it made me think that I'm suffering, and that's all been off the rack stuff from Burton, Westbeach etc that's cost me no more than £150 a time. And that's after a season in Canada with temperatures down to -30 and everything from blue skies to heavy snow to heavy rain (It was Whistler after all...) |
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Posted: Jul 17, 2012 - 10:27 AM
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Totally agree.
My first snowboard trip was to Lapland in January (more of a holiday with the kids where I thought I'd try snowboarding). I didn't want to spend out on kit incase I didn't like it, so I spent a week in -9 to -28 in a Mountain Warehouse jacket (£25 in the online sale) and £12 No Fear pants & £8 D2B gloves from Sports Direct. No problems. Could still be wearing them now if I wasn't a little label-concious!
I refer to the Gucci analogy above. Applies to everything from bread to houses.
You pay your money and make your choice. Then everyone will judge you for it. |
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Post subject: Re: RE: Re: Spyder gear
Posted: Jul 17, 2012 - 12:12 PM
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nickmotture wrote:
Its designed for rich bankers and russian millionaires. It might be good quality but that doesn't excuse the price. Look at it this way....Gucci handbags are a couple of grand......do you think that makes them super quality and better made than ones that are 200...or that you're paying for a name that lets everyone know you're rich?
its worn by bankers and russians yes, its not designed for them. i'm sure there taken into account with styling, but as a product its designed for high mountain enviroments and the people who work there.
most of the russians around here are seen shopping in chanel and ogier, not in the sports stores. |
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