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Post subject: Sick new way to make video’s in the terrain park!
 Posted: Feb 06, 2012 - 11:21 PM
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Post subject: RE: Sick new way to make video’s in the terrain park!
Posted: Feb 07, 2012 - 01:03 AM
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So its a pay-to-use CCTV system, meaning that it could either be used to make really boring, close crop edits that have the exact same angles as everyone else's videos, OR the idea could be turned into a monitoring system, which could bring unneeded and strict rules to the mountain, or be used by insurers - perhaps they could only insure you to ride parks with this system in it, so in order to make a claim you have to submit the footage of you attempted a double backflip which ended in a snapped binding, which resulted in a brokenleg = no payout.
Terrible idea. If you want to make an edit with you and your mates, then do it. Dont use some crappy, fixed-position camera system that you have to pay to use - hell, i bet you don't even own the rights to the footage... |
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Post subject: RE: Sick new way to make video’s in the terrain park!
Posted: Feb 07, 2012 - 01:22 AM
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I'd be interested to know what the legal position on this was, having cameras running non stop in the park filming everyone who goes by whether they have signed up for the system or not. Also what sort of servers are you gonna have that can film non stop all day every day and save all the video, thats trillions of millions of gigabites in a week.
It says you're system is going to be available in a growing number of parks around the world but doesn't mention a single one of them. I'm thinking this doesn't actually exist yet you're just trying to garner interest in order to try and sell the idea? For one it would cost hundreds of thousands to set up, have to be written into each resorts health and safety laws and agreed to by their individual insurers and need a warehouse sized mainframe server to crunch all that video data. Good luck with that  YOur FAQ's and media sections are also empty.
You're asking people to sign up and pay 100 dollars for unlimited use till the end of this season of something they have never heads of and without even saying where your system is installed. Sorry but it sounds like a complete scam......
Weirdest idea i've ever seen..... |
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Posted: Feb 07, 2012 - 01:34 AM
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millions of gigabytes? how much memory does an hours gopro hd footage take up? feck all.
hundreds of thousands to set up? you just need a few cameras and some basic video processing software.
also dont DC already have this running in several parks?
that said the footage it produces is pretty boring, more of a gimmick than for making proper edits but i cant see anything wrong with it. think the big bro stuff is slightly over cooking it, insurers run the world, if they wanted cameras in parks they would put their foot down and put them in, not piggyback on someone elses gimmicky idea. |
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Posted: Feb 07, 2012 - 01:39 AM
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i was exagerating to make a point. You cant have gopro cameras running all day in all different positions, someone wold have to site there and change the memory cards then take them home and upload it all. The'yre saying its an automated system and all runs of servers where you log into and share the footage from, its just not possible. Also youd end up with one massive file, does this system automatically clip the files up into individual shots?
The biggest point is they're asking for money without even saying where the systems in use, who is going to pay for that on the off chance that its in the same country as them let along the same park theyre going to? |
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Post subject: RE: Sick new way to make video’s in the terrain park!
Posted: Feb 07, 2012 - 01:40 AM
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Good idea, needs to be expensive for overhead thought which at a hundred bucks per season it kinda is. Is the tag some sort of RFID chip that only videos when you are in shot/close to the camera/swiped it at the top of a run? Does this negate any legal issues? Would you be able to put together a feature length video to show exactly what this system is capable of?
It's very interesting to say the least. |
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nickmotture
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Post subject: RE: Sick new way to make video’s in the terrain park!
Posted: Feb 07, 2012 - 01:41 AM
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Posted: Feb 07, 2012 - 02:13 AM
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nickmotture wrote:
i was exagerating to make a point. You cant have gopro cameras running all day in all different positions, someone wold have to site there and change the memory cards then take them home and upload it all. The'yre saying its an automated system and all runs of servers where you log into and share the footage from, its just not possible. Also youd end up with one massive file, does this system automatically clip the files up into individual shots?
The biggest point is they're asking for money without even saying where the systems in use, who is going to pay for that on the off chance that its in the same country as them let along the same park theyre going to?
i dont mean have loads of actual go pros dotted about, i was referencing how much memory they use. it would be more than possible to have several hd cameras running all day long and recording to a remote server. but im pretty sure these systems use some kind of tag to mark your footage, clearly it is possible as its already running? |
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Posted: Feb 07, 2012 - 02:22 AM
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101 meet the point, point meet 101, you two might have missed each other?
I'm not saying its not possible im saying the legistics of it are incredibly complicated with HD cameras streaming live into a server inside a park in the cold. It would cost a fortune to set up and have cables running all over the place, how would they be uploading al this live to the server in the middle of the mountain, satelite uplink?
DC may already be doing it but thats DC, they're a massive company and isnt it in their own private park?
But agian as i keep saying, dont you agree the biggest hmm with this is that theyre actually asking people to sign up and pay 100 dollars for something when half their site is dead and they dont even tell you where you can use the system? Kind of getting it all th wrong way round dont you think? |
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Posted: Feb 07, 2012 - 02:40 AM
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i think youre missing the point nick.
DC - no its not in their private park, its in several public parks, im just too lazy to google.
the logistics are not complicated at all, its not hard to run a few cables from cameras to a box, and the cold has sweet f a to do with it. and do you think mountains dont have the internet or something? how do you think the wifi works in all those cosy mountain cafes? carrier pidgeon?
but agree, asking for peoples money with no proper explanation doesnt work |
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Posted: Feb 07, 2012 - 02:53 AM
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Posted: Feb 07, 2012 - 07:36 AM
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The only new idea here is the RFID chip. However, you already carry an ID, it's called the liftpass. Les Arcs use it as ID on a fixed position camera in the Apo park. True, you have to pass by a gate, same with the punters jump in the Swatch park in Tignes a few seasons ago (thought that was time ID'd - a pain) but footage was available on a website.
I can see the advantage of more specifically getting to your clips, however if it's that good, resorts will do it. And it will be free.
Not sure everyone really needs to get angry about anything here... |
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Posted: Feb 07, 2012 - 08:55 AM
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DrSnowboard wrote:
however if it's that good, resorts will do it. And it will be free.
Not sure everyone really needs to get angry about anything here...
I wouldnt say it would be free, if its good then the resort would charge for it knowing people would pay for it.
Its a fairly good idea, taking into account the things mentioned above, if it was simple to use. BUT only for people who arnt that keen and dont own cameras/GoPro etc. this means though that if you arnt that keen are you going to be in the park?
for it to work for me here is a few things that i would want:
1)RF system in place that picks you up as you move around the park without the need to pass a gate to solve issues of walking back to hit a feature and not getting the lift,
2)Hardly any blind spots so you dont miss the action,
3)easy to download and edit on thier site.
It seems to me kinda like them guys who follow classes and film you then sell the edited footage at the end of your holiday. a gimik but people would pay if they dont have any other knowledge/option |
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Posted: Feb 07, 2012 - 09:18 AM
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the dc shoot my ride system is from my experience, pretty sh1t, it records a single box or kicker thats about it, they had it up les houches last year.
There's a new system in chamonix this year where you scan your pass at the top and it records a few features, then sends it to your phone...and its free.
i've not bothered using it once 
there's a video of it on the HO5 website under there chamonix park check section if anyone wants to see it.
Trigger85 wrote:
BUT only for people who arnt that keen and dont own cameras/GoPro etc. this means though that if you arnt that keen are you going to be in the park?
I dont own a camera and spend a lot of time in the park..... |
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Posted: Feb 07, 2012 - 10:43 AM
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I think this is a fairly decent idea....well it's got potential at least.
If you haven't got / can't afford a camera then you can still have your runs filmed... Ok the angle might not be the one you choose but providing it's not super expensive I think it's something I'd consider using once or twice. |
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