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 Posted: Dec 04, 2011 - 09:42 PM
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lol @ anger towards immigrants for immigration levels and immigrants rights to housing and benefits (even after leaving the UK).
If only we had some sort panel of democratically elected representatives who could deal with these sorts of issues by drafting legislature on behalf of the crown/sovereign or something and put this issue to rest.
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Posted: Dec 04, 2011 - 09:50 PM
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| Careful Funamental, that's a dangerously logical post you're making there |
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Posted: Dec 05, 2011 - 10:24 AM
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samboarder wrote:
i wasnt saying that oh she is just like martin luther king, but he had his views on how it should be equal no matter of race and this person is doing the same, in a very bad way yes i agree with everyone there, but this is how she can get her view across, yes in a very bad way.
but there is a huge increase in unemployment in this country, even the people looking for any job to meet their rent cant get one, but people 'seem' to come over and get housing benefits and pretty much everything given to them. it does put this country to shame on that account. and yes they are brought in, i also never said they are harder working than us, i only said they accept less money.
Not entirely sure she was making any socio-political comment on equality there, just a bit of drink/drug fuelled hate.
Do you actually know any of these guys who have come over here to go straight into a cushy house, massive benefits and have everything given to them with no questions asked? Or are those opinions based on reading the Sun/Daily Mail? It's a common misconception that it's "easy" and they get a much better deal, if it was, why would we have so many illegal immigrants? Surely they would come forward and declare themselves just so they can get a 4 bed house with a PS3 and flat screen in every room?
Also why focus on just immigrants? Why is it fair and equal that someone with no job but a kid should be higher on the council housing list than someone who is actively seeking employment but realised they can't afford a kid so don't have one? Similarly why should that same person be entitled to more benefits that the immigrants who have come to this country to work just because of a birth right?
I can only imagine that the Spanish are having the same conversation about all these Brits coming abroad and stealing their jobs and houses, or the French have it every winter when hordes of Brits come over and do seasons, or do these not count as immigrants as they aren't from some far away land? On that point, my local cafe is run by a French girl, my pub by an Irish lad and a local shop by an American, or would "more bloody immigrants stealing money from local commerce" be a more apt name?
There are plenty of unskilled jobs in my local paper that need filling if all the jobs up your way have been stolen by the immigrants. |
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Posted: Dec 05, 2011 - 10:38 AM
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in some ways i do think that some systems in other countries where as an immigrant you cant claim benefits unless you have lived and worked in a country for so many years.
It would make life rather difficult if immigrants could claim benefits straight away and had the same rights as Uk nationals. We have enough peeps claiming benefits, many through no fault of their own but how can a country support immigrants when the benefit system for its own people is in a chaotic situation |
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Posted: Dec 05, 2011 - 11:04 AM
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I'm not anti-immigration, however I do find it strange that people can claim benefits as soon as they get here.
I came out of uni and got seriously ill, had to have life-saving surgery, was in hospital for 2 weeks then out but unable to work for a month, then back in hospital for 2 months, then out and unable to work for another 2 months before having more surgery and finally being fit enough again after about 6-7 months total.
During that time I tried to claim incapacity benefit and other benefits but was told that because I was no longer in full-time education I couldn't claim income-based allowances, and because I'd only just finished my education and hadn't paid enough National Insurance contributions, I couldn't claim contributions-based benefits.
So I was stuck with no income, no way of claiming benefits and no help whatsoever from the government, whilst a Polish guy I know well came over with his wife and two kids, was put up in a four-bed house and had enough money from his benefits to buy a used Range Rover!
It may be an extreme case but it isn't here-say or "opinions based on reading the Sun/Daily Mail", it's my own personal experience.
I'm not for one minute saying that we should ban all immigration, or even some of it, but it should be fair.
If I couldn't claim benefits because I hadn't contributed enough, why should someone from a different country claim them when they hadn't contributed anything at all? |
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Posted: Dec 05, 2011 - 11:16 AM
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But that's not immigration based, that's a flaw in our domestic benefit system as potentially the same benefits would be paid out to a British born family who hadn't contributed either.
I'm not saying the benefit system is correct, it's hugely flawed, but if it applies to British people who have never worked (and over their lifetime taken from the system), why shouldn't it apply to non British people? After all their Net contribution into the system is the same. |
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Posted: Dec 05, 2011 - 11:29 AM
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Yeah, I agree, but it doesn't look good and 'un/ill-informed' people are going to take stories like this and run with it.
What really needs addressing is the lack of information on how to claim benefits for UK residents. There seem to be a lot of people immigrating who know exactly what they can claim and how to claim it before they even get here. Whereas, when I asked if there was anyone I could speak to about what I was entitled to claim, there was a flat 'No'. Granted, this was about 5-6 years ago now and things may have changed, and a lot more information is available online nowadays, but it all just fuels the xenophobic, racist arguments from people such as the woman on that tram. |
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Posted: Dec 05, 2011 - 03:43 PM
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| In Liverpool they have people come into ethnic social centres and teach people exactly what to claim and how to claim it. I'd hazard that a lot of it is fraudulent but that's another matter. |
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Posted: Dec 05, 2011 - 04:44 PM
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I think it would be fun to make that woman have a DNA test to see what her ethnic background is. You're hard pushed not to have some 'immigrant' ancestry if you're British  |
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Posted: Dec 05, 2011 - 05:13 PM
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samboarder wrote:
yeah they are jobs people think they are too good for, but what gives them the right to come over here if we cant go to another country as easily as they come into ours. they pretty much stroll right into our country and into better homes than what most people have. they are mainly here, and able to stay here because they are cheap to employ.
Maybe do some research before you spout ignorant, uninformed right wing bullsh*t. Its Cretinous lies like this that fuel the BNP and their moronic following. |
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Posted: Dec 05, 2011 - 05:21 PM
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samboarder wrote:
i am annoyed people come over, free willingly and take peoples jobs when we have a crisis with unemployment in this country. 'no one wants to set up a corner shop' i have heard people say.. maybe they do if it will give them money and a better life for their family. just because it is now in the public eye most people will act two faced.. so many people are racist that is life. just because she is on youtube and getting 'popular' people would change their views on it.. and going by what someone has already said in here everyone is now like 'oh that is wrong what she is saying' ... next week 'MORE PEOPLE COMING INTO OUR COUNTRY AND STEALING JOBS, THAT IS WRONG' when that lady could be trying to stop this... Martin Luther King is a 'hero' for his speech, why cut down this lady for her OWN views.
this is what happens when you allow free speech, no one likes it.
Sorry mate but you are a cretin. I suggest some education and maybe less Daily Express. |
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Posted: Dec 06, 2011 - 12:08 PM
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I've got many friends whop are first and second generation immigrants from all over the world. China, both north and sub-Saharan Africa, Yemen, UAE, France, Laos, lots of places. As far as myself, my mums side are Jamaican immigrants and my dad is part Greek. Living in an inner city area it's a bit of a melting pot, like.
One thing that I can say with certainty is that most immigrants don't live the high life at all - quite the opposite in fact. A few may pimp the system and scam cars on disability or the odd benefit but this whole idea that immigrants come and get all sorts is very far fetched and more the exception than the rule. Example - I live next door to 6-7 Somali men who are sharing a small two up two down and don't have a pot to piss in. Same for the Kurdish community that live a few streets away. The reality is that most immigrants come into this country and are instantly on the economic and societal plateau as many "British" who are on lower echelons and that displeases people who, for some reason, believe themselves to be above them - by birthright. That's what this problem stems from. My family have all sorts of stories about the way they were treated in the post Windrush work scramble and it's quite sickening. I have my own experiences too but that's another story.
It's a bit silly to have a strong opinion on something that you've been largely sheltered from, outside of media reports and propaganda of course, and have little first-hand experience with but c'est la vie.
Anyway, as I alluded earlier, the real issue here is whether the UK receives net benefit from being in the EU. Immigration is just one small connotation in the spider's web of Lisbon/Maastrich Treaty terms that are now embedded in UK governance. |
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Posted: Dec 06, 2011 - 01:45 PM
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Thanks Fundamental, i share your views - we also are sort of missing the greatest reason for welcoming people from different points of origin to our country - that it makes for a whole that is greater than the sum of its parts.
Without influence from immigrants, Britain would not have the rich tapestry of culture and history we enjoy today. Plus the food would suck Satan's hairy b@lls.
I wonder whether the bigots in the BNP have honestly NEVER been for a curry, or a kebab, or a pizza. Although i guess technically this is feasible as clearly many of them never went to school either.
As usual it is the age old problem of people not finding out some basic facts before forming opinions - people who do this will ultimately fail, as they are likely to take this approach to all parts of their lives. So, to be honest, feck 'em. We don't need em. |
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Posted: Dec 06, 2011 - 01:49 PM
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samboarder wrote:
i am annoyed people come over, free willingly and take peoples jobs when we have a crisis with unemployment in this country. 'no one wants to set up a corner shop' i have heard people say.. maybe they do if it will give them money and a better life for their family. just because it is now in the public eye most people will act two faced.. so many people are racist that is life. just because she is on youtube and getting 'popular' people would change their views on it.. and going by what someone has already said in here everyone is now like 'oh that is wrong what she is saying' ... next week 'MORE PEOPLE COMING INTO OUR COUNTRY AND STEALING JOBS, THAT IS WRONG' when that lady could be trying to stop this... Martin Luther King is a 'hero' for his speech, why cut down this lady for her OWN views.
this is what happens when you allow free speech, no one likes it.
You are a muppet. So is this that woman on the bus/ tram whatever it is, oh and in my opinion she is scum.
There's my "constructive" views there  |
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Posted: Dec 06, 2011 - 01:54 PM
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So the general consensus is that she's a idiot of the highest order. Excellent.
Locking this because I don't see it going anywhere good. |
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