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SnowHawk01 
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Post subject: TDA bursaries
 Posted: Nov 15, 2011 - 08:44 AM
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I have been interested in becoming a design technology teacher for a while. Last year the bursaries were removed, this year they are back giving huge rewards to those that did exceptionally well at university. Those who achieved a first degree in physics will receive 20'000 pounds in free non repayable bursary. I on the other hand will receive no bursary, as I only got a third in design. Since my degree, I have spent a year working with children but this has no value.
I will now struggle to go into teaching as I don't know if I can really afford the 9000 tuition fees even with a repayable loan.
Very disappointed and unsure what to do next 
http://www.tda.gov.uk/get-into-teaching ... nding.aspx |
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AdamA9
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Post subject: Re: TDA bursaries -another reason to hate David Cameron.
Posted: Nov 15, 2011 - 08:53 AM
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AshBrown wrote:
I will now struggle to go into teaching as I don't know if I can really afford the 9000 tuition fees even with a repayable loan. I have very little support from either parent where as I'm sure mr 1st in physics could probably go in to teaching without the bursary if he wanted.
http://www.tda.gov.uk/get-into-teaching ... nding.aspx
I'm sorry but that's dumb. Why assume someone with a first comes from money? Hard work gets you a first, not money...
That link states that:
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Teaching is a prime career choice for high-quality graduates. To encourage the best people to enter the profession, from 2012/13 trainees will need at least a 2:2 to be eligible for a training bursary
What's wrong with only wanting a high-quality range of graduates? It's commonly understood that teaching in this country is poor. The number of children coming out of education that lack even the most basic of language skill is shocking. Surely, if you're going to be a teacher, you should yourself be able to achieve over a 2:2 anyway? This is no personal dig at yourself, as you say you achieved a third, but if it were my children going through school, I'd expect the teacher to be of a high-quality. |
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SnowHawk01
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Post subject: RE: Re: TDA bursaries -another reason to hate David Cameron.
Posted: Nov 15, 2011 - 09:06 AM
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| I know, I know! Ive edited it. Hard work is much easier if you have financial backing and family support though. From my experience of Uni the majority of people who got firsts lived at home and spent all their time working on their degree. While the rest of us tried to juggle our lives around Uni. Go ahead and slate me for my degree grade if you like but I am confident my ability to captivate the imaginations of children is stronger than that of some of the people who got firsts, (specific to my course group) firsts may give people better subject knowledge, but subject knowledge at degree level is mostly irrelevant in line with the gcse syllabus. Surely experience dealing with children should hold more value than it currently does? |
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AdamA9
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Post subject: RE: Re: TDA bursaries -another reason to hate David Cameron.
Posted: Nov 15, 2011 - 09:23 AM
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Sorry, I wasn't slating your degree grade. If it came across like this, I apologise. You do still have a degree, after all. I was merely pointing out that in a profession, such as teaching, academic achievement is kind of important, wouldn't you agree?
If you needed a lawyer, would you hire the one with enthusiasm that scrapped by law school and struggled with the LPC. Or would you choose the one that excelled at all exams? My point is, that academic achievement is a good benchmark when entering a profession.
Anyway, that's not really pertinent to your point. I agree it seems slightly unfair to remove this for anyone below a 2:2 grade, but I guess it's to make sure that they're getting the highest quality of teacher. And there's only one true way to ensure this and that's to go by their exam results. I'm not sure on the teaching situation in this country, so forgive my perceived ignorance, but do we have too many or not enough teachers? If it's the former, then I guess this is further evidence that they're affording themselves the luxury of being able to cherry pick who moves into this profession.
Are there any other avenues that you can get into teaching?
Graduate schemes are usually given to the best academic achievers; most jobs for young people go off the back of these results - that's life. |
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snowbadger
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Post subject: RE: Re: TDA bursaries -another reason to hate David Cameron.
Posted: Nov 15, 2011 - 09:39 AM
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| 20 grand.. blimey... wonder if that extends to mechanical eng students |
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JakeDurbs
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Post subject: RE: Re: TDA bursaries -another reason to hate David Cameron.
Posted: Nov 15, 2011 - 09:39 AM
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Is it hard to accept and watching the gf self fund her way through her PGCE, i understand it's not the easiest of tasks!
Unfortunately, as Adam alluded to, that is life. My brother had a bursary to go to uni to be an engineer, when I was old enough to go to Uni we no longer had a shortage of Engineers so I didn't receive the bursary and had to self fund. Even if you compare someone who wants to be a physics teacher to one that wants to teach PE, the PE teacher will be worse off than the Physics guys as that is what is perceived to be needed at this time and so get the most money.
That said, I agree with the fact that a degree result is not directly proportional to your ability to be a teacher. It's a profession I'd be rubbish at despite doing fairly well in exams (no bursaries, lived away from home, had a job)! But unfortunately you cannot let everyone "have a go" and see who's best. You need some sort of initial selection criteria and that's all we have to go on, similar to a normal job interview.
If it's something you truly want to do (which it sounds as though you do), you will find a way or put up with the sacrifices required for a relatively short period of time to enjoy your job for the rest of your life!
Your boarding may have to take a back seat though! Two expensive hobbies don't go too well! |
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JakeDurbs
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Post subject: Re: RE: Re: TDA bursaries -another reason to hate David Came
Posted: Nov 15, 2011 - 09:42 AM
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snowbadger wrote:
20 grand.. blimey... wonder if that extends to mechanical eng students
Nope, but you can get the 9k/5k if you have a first 2:1. We currently have a shortage of Maths, Physics and language teachers so they are trying to make it more attractive to graduates from those areas.
Still would take a lot more than 9k to make me consider training to be a secondary school teacher! |
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SnowHawk01
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Post subject: RE: Re: TDA bursaries -another reason to hate David Cameron.
Posted: Nov 15, 2011 - 09:42 AM
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| I would agree, but I wouldn't say it was right. And I also agree that "that's life" but life is also what you make it. I will do a teacher training course and become a teacher if the system allows me. Though having to pay for it all myself will hurt me financially. I am looking to the light at the end of the tunnel. |
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JakeDurbs
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Post subject: Re: RE: Re: TDA bursaries -another reason to hate David Came
Posted: Nov 15, 2011 - 09:44 AM
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AshBrown wrote:
I will do a teacher training course and become a teacher if the system allows me. Though having to pay for it all myself will hurt me financially. I am looking to the light at the end of the tunnel.
Then that's the attitude you need! Happiness requires sacrifice unfortunately (I think a snowboarding forum is the perfect place to highlight that!) and I wish you all the best for it mate, as said, its something I could never do! |
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AdamA9
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Post subject: Re: RE: Re: TDA bursaries -another reason to hate David Came
Posted: Nov 15, 2011 - 09:48 AM
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AshBrown wrote:
I would agree, but I wouldn't say it was right. And I also agree that "that's life" but life is also what you make it.
I never said it was right. But there has to be a benchmark. Like you say, if you want it enough, you will get it. And it'll be a darn sight more rewarding for you when you achieve it.
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: TDA bursaries -another reason to hate David
Posted: Nov 15, 2011 - 10:00 AM
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| Thanks guys and girls, I'll let you know how it goes. |
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snowbadger
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Post subject: Re: RE: Re: TDA bursaries -another reason to hate David Came
Posted: Nov 15, 2011 - 10:11 AM
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JakeDurbs wrote:
snowbadger wrote:
20 grand.. blimey... wonder if that extends to mechanical eng students
Nope, but you can get the 9k/5k if you have a first 2:1. We currently have a shortage of Maths, Physics and language teachers so they are trying to make it more attractive to graduates from those areas.
Still would take a lot more than 9k to make me consider training to be a secondary school teacher!
I got a 1st  but only 9K, better than nothing but I would need a bit more persuasion !  |
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Post subject: Re: RE: Re: TDA bursaries -another reason to hate David Came
Posted: Nov 15, 2011 - 01:17 PM
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AshBrown wrote:
From my experience of Uni the majority of people who got firsts lived at home and spent all their time working on their degree. While the rest of us tried to juggle our lives around Uni.
That's not the same as my experience at Uni as a part time student, most were like me....worked full time, had a family, a house to run and paid our own tutition fees and still had to study for a degree. Most people in my class got a 2:2 or above including quite a few firsts.
Design and technology isn't a core curriculum subject and there doesn't appear to be a shortage or those subject teachers, hence the bursery not being available. The shortage as mentioned is Maths, science and languages.
If your dream is to be a teacher absolutely go for it, working in a school I come across a lot of teachers that are in it all for the wrong reasons - the power, the holidays and the pay. So someone who actually likes teaching kids will be a lot better than some. |
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Posted: Nov 15, 2011 - 02:22 PM
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nope never lived at home whilst doing my degree.. I also had to hold down a part time job as well as the drinking 
hard work, but had an awesome time |
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Posted: Nov 15, 2011 - 04:22 PM
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When I first read this I thought the same thing. In my experience, in maths, the people with Maths Degrees are often the worst teachers.
Someone with a degree in maths couldn't tell me how to measure the area of a triangle last week. They were at this time teaching 4 classes at a school.
I understand where they are coming from, but don't agree with it at all. As I said, having the enthusiasm and want to be a teacher is the main thing in my eyes. |
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