First post: Jan 30, 2005
Total posts: 45
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Guys,
I, like many SCUK members, signed on here hoping for a good explanation and discussion of the subject matter. While I did get an explanation, most of the thread was just a pointless argument.
Matty, thanks for your advice. I think people continued to google things as they don't have your technical knowledge and don't really understand:
"Cross over - least flexed at edge change
Cross under - Most flexed at edge change "
Lee, Boots etc., perhaps it would have been better to ask Matty to give a more detailed explanation.
I don't come here for arguments (I have a girlfriend for that) so I won't post here again, but I hope to see some great tips, and appreciation for them, next time I look here.
Cheers!
Mattylovesthewindchill
Post subject:Posted: Nov 11, 2011 - 01:54 PM
First post: Jul 24, 2006
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Alright, Mattmania, seeing as you asked so nicely, and you have the same name as me, I will have another bash at explaining it - its actually much easier to explain in person/with demos.
Cross over.
Imagine yourself making large turns, that go way across the hill (Closed). Whilst you are in the middle of those turns you are as small as possible (knees bent a lot/flexed). As you decide to start the next turn by going from one edge to the other, you straighten out a little (extend) and as you extend you move your whole body over the top of your board eventually onto your new edge, you then flex as you set that new edge, keeping you nice and small for rest of the turn. This is pretty slow movement, as you are moving your entire mass over the board, you can also get away with being flat for a bit. This is the turn most riders make, its not hard work, leaves margin for error, is simple, and leaves you in a good position for the rest of the turn provided you flex.
Cross under.
Imagine those same large turns, but during the middle of the turn you start to extend out with your legs, which builds pressure (and alters turn shape). When you want to change edge, you use this pressure to "snap" the board underneath your body. You do this by releasing that edge, flexing your legs, and pulling the board underneath you before extending it out on the other side, engaging the new edge. The more "snap" you get out of the turn, the quicker and easier this transition is. The body stays very quiet in this edge change (the board moves underneath you). This is a split second edge change, with little margin for error, its hard work, and complex.
You can get a pretty good idea how good someones cross under is by watching their hip as they go heel to toe. If it rises during edge change then its a cross over - something I was called out on and had to correct for one of my certs. There are few tips, cheats and progressions to help learn these turns, but you need a lesson with a good instructor for that.
Cross unders are extremely hard, there are some good instructors out there who struggle with it, especially if you are not that flexible/getting on a bit! Without these turns tho, I would be screwed, they are essential in trees and bumps.
Hope that helps, no more essays from me!
charlie
Post subject:Posted: Nov 11, 2011 - 03:33 PM
First post: Oct 11, 2004
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Location: York
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Good explanation!
Despite being able to do them ok (I'm not claiming to be technically perfect in any way) I'm always a little bit too unfit (or too much of a lazy rider) to do cross under turns for any length of time. They're cracking for what you said though, trees and bumps.
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lee.92
Post subject:Posted: Nov 11, 2011 - 04:45 PM
First post: Mar 01, 2011
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Okay,
So we all know that this thread managed to get out of hand, I was by no means trying to dismiss anyone’s advice nor did I ever say i know more than you, however with the original explanation given I clearly didn’t fully understand it from lack of detail compared to other resources I managed to find, which was used as a reference to show you my then current understanding of the subject without the intention of trying to disprove your knowledge on the subject as again I had no prior knowledge on the correct definitions of this until I happened to come across it on the net and as none of my friends are interested in snowboarding the net looked like a decent place to get a basic understanding on the differences between the two methods.
Now that you have posted a more detailed and clearer explanation, I understand it allot more than your previous attempts, which ended up coming across a bit pissy, so thank you for the detailed explanation.
Really I’m not a bad guy, I just don’t enjoy being talked down to when I was just asking for some help without trying to start some sort of upset, as you got to start somewhere.
So I hope this ends the argument because after a 9 hour work day the last thing I want to do is argue in a forum on the net.
Nickster99
Post subject:Posted: Nov 11, 2011 - 05:27 PM
First post: Aug 07, 2009
Total posts: 276
Location: London
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I just wanted to ask if anyone has any advice on how to pack my board bag? Which way around do I put my board?
And secondly, when I tighten my laces I end up with lots of access that I have to tie in some kind of knot... is that normal?
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