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Post subject: National Speed limit raising to 80mph... ?
 Posted: Sep 29, 2011 - 04:58 PM
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Post subject: RE: National Speed limit raising to 80mph... ?
Posted: Sep 29, 2011 - 05:54 PM
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About bloody time!!!!
Not too sure about the increase in 20mph limits tho. 20mph is so slow it'll just piss people off and make them drive more aggressively. |
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Post subject: RE: National Speed limit raising to 80mph... ?
Posted: Sep 29, 2011 - 06:44 PM
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This is both good and bad. The reality is most people do 80 on motorways however more 20 mph zones are not good things as tbh most cars are not optimised to run at 20 mph so your using more fuel to run at that as oposed to 30 mph. Plus the point about aggressive driving is valid will be more tailgaiting I fear in 20 mph zones.
Its also worth noting if the limit goes up to 80 mph the police will enforce it I'd imagine quite agressively so you really won't be able to go above the 10% your allowed for speedo calibration and expect to get away with it as you do now. Sadly it will also mean more speed vans on motorway bridges to catch people out too which in my view is quite dangerous as people tend to brake heavily for those without really considering what is going on behind as with most cameras I guess.
Finally this won't apply to dual carrage ways as far as I can tell so get ready for enforcement of the 70 limit on those. |
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Post subject: RE: National Speed limit raising to 80mph... ?
Posted: Sep 30, 2011 - 08:22 AM
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I think it's a good thing. These speed limits have been in place since way-back-when. Long before ABS and traction control and all the other safety gizmo's on cars to keep you safe on the road. Even at 80mph in a new car you're still safe. Usually it's the driver that's at fault, not the speed.
Oh and just FYI that 10% 'speed calibration' is a myth. You can be done for speeding at 51mph in a 50mph zone. |
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Post subject: RE: National Speed limit raising to 80mph... ?
Posted: Sep 30, 2011 - 08:47 AM
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I tell you what really bugged me about it - I heard on the radio about it, and there were quotes from "Road safety campaigners" saying it would encourage wreckless and selfish drivers. And that made me think, its not anything to do with speed that causes most accidents, its wreckless and selfish drivers, and that has nothing to do with speed. If more money was spent on proper enforcement of driving standards rather than speed cameras then this might become less of a problem.
The worst example of sensationalist journalism was when they had a quote from the mother of someone killed in a road traffic accident - "Its like a knife through the heart because my daughter was killed by someone going 80mph". Well that proves it then! How many people have been killed by cars travelling 30mph - does that mean we need to go slower than that everywhere! |
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Post subject: Re: RE: National Speed limit raising to 80mph... ?
Posted: Sep 30, 2011 - 08:50 AM
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AdamA9 wrote:
Oh and just FYI that 10% 'speed calibration' is a myth. You can be done for speeding at 51mph in a 50mph zone.
theoretically you can, if your actually traveling at 51mph, but as different cars and different speedo's all work slightly differently, in practice it would never be enforced.
I think the rule of thumb given years ago was 3mph plus 5%. |
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Post subject: Re: RE: National Speed limit raising to 80mph... ?
Posted: Sep 30, 2011 - 09:31 AM
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AdamA9 wrote:
Usually it's the driver that's at fault, not the speed.
Oh and just FYI that 10% 'speed calibration' is a myth. You can be done for speeding at 51mph in a 50mph zone.
First point your spot on I imagine its a mix of poor observation, lack of anticipation and not driving to the conditions in terms of speed.
I've heard differing things with the calibration thing 10% seems to be the general rule but tbh I'd expect it to be much lower than that in reality.
As for the 51 in a 50 I've never known anyone get done for that even by cameras. 54 was the lowest I've heard of. If you take into account the speedo which by law must not over read they were probably around 56/57 but this is heavily dependant on the car speedo calibration.
For me 50 is around 53 miles an hour on the speedo so anything above is overspeed. |
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Post subject: Re: RE: National Speed limit raising to 80mph... ?
Posted: Sep 30, 2011 - 09:54 AM
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ace_mcgraw wrote:
I tell you what really bugged me about it - I heard on the radio about it, and there were quotes from "Road safety campaigners" saying it would encourage wreckless and selfish drivers. And that made me think, its not anything to do with speed that causes most accidents, its wreckless and selfish drivers, and that has nothing to do with speed. If more money was spent on proper enforcement of driving standards rather than speed cameras then this might become less of a problem.
The worst example of sensationalist journalism was when they had a quote from the mother of someone killed in a road traffic accident - "Its like a knife through the heart because my daughter was killed by someone going 80mph". Well that proves it then! How many people have been killed by cars travelling 30mph - does that mean we need to go slower than that everywhere!
+1 I imagine the mother whose daughter was killed wasn't killed on a motorway if she was what was she doing on the motorway? If its a breakdown you need to be as far away from your car as possible if she was on there for some other reason what was she doing you don't ever go onto the carrage way of a motorway no matter what time how busy or anything else.. Not that I'm showing a lack of sympathy mind its still sad someone died I'd just like to know the details which I'm sure paint a different story.
Also do you notice no one ever mentions a lack of speed being as dangerous as too much? For instance someone in the 40 everywhere club doing 40 on a national speed limit road is just as dangerous as someone doing 70 as people will want to over take the 40 everywhere and if there is a big queue behind said person you can bet someone behind will try and take more than one car at a time increasing the risk of a head on.
Not one of these so called safety people seem to realise motorways are the UK's safest roads. Your much less likely to die on a motorway than you are on a normal A road as the risk of a head on crash on a motorway is not there unless under exceptional circumstances ala a truck going through the central reservation.
Either way this increase in speed on the motorway is a consultation only thing atm. It may get changed but it probably won't. |
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Posted: Sep 30, 2011 - 01:43 PM
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They should put more effort into educating people on how to drive properly first.
People who hog the middle lane, fast lane and those who tail gate are the cause of most of the congestion on the motorways |
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Posted: Sep 30, 2011 - 08:19 PM
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FunkyMunky wrote:
They should put more effort into educating people on how to drive properly first.
People who hog the middle lane, fast lane and those who tail gate are the cause of most of the congestion on the motorways
Totally agree except that it's also the lorry drivers that cause a large proportion of the congestion. I've lost count of the number of times I've been caught up in a block of congestion due to one lorry trying to overtake another as it's travelling 1mph faster. Just because they're speed limited is irrelevant. It's down to sheer ignorant driving both from the overtaker and the one being overtaken. If the one being overtaken just eased off for a few moments to enable the other to get past and in front then there wouldn't be an issue, but no they stubbornly keep their foot to the floor and force the overtaking lorry to take miles just to get past effectively turning that point of the motorway into one lane for cars. |
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Posted: Oct 03, 2011 - 11:03 AM
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| I'm definitely in favour of the 80mph speed limit, but in all fairness, I do that on the motorways all the time anyways! Not impressed with the 20mph limit in busy areas, it would make more sense having a variable limit, so it is dependant on the lvel of traffic |
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Posted: Oct 03, 2011 - 11:14 AM
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| this government doesnt do anything as expensive as changing the speed limits without good reason (ie a financial benefit to them!) |
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Posted: Oct 03, 2011 - 11:20 AM
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| [quote="Zetetic"]
FunkyMunky wrote:
I've lost count of the number of times I've been caught up in a block of congestion due to one lorry trying to overtake another as it's travelling 1mph faster. Just because they're speed limited is irrelevant. It's down to sheer ignorant driving both from the overtaker and the one being overtaken. If the one being overtaken just eased off for a few moments to enable the other to get past and in front then there wouldn't be an issue, but no they stubbornly keep their foot to the floor and force the overtaking lorry to take miles just to get past effectively turning that point of the motorway into one lane for cars.
you've never driven anything that big with such low pulling power and been driving for long period of times, needing to meet a dead line while wanting to get back home have you.
There not purposely doing it to spite you. They want to get were there going as quickly as possible in much the same way that you do. |
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Posted: Oct 03, 2011 - 11:22 AM
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cantridepete wrote:
this government doesnt do anything as expensive as changing the speed limits without good reason (ie a financial benefit to them!)
Oil industry links... |
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Posted: Oct 03, 2011 - 11:25 AM
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| [quote="cantridepete"]
Zetetic wrote:
FunkyMunky wrote:
I've lost count of the number of times I've been caught up in a block of congestion due to one lorry trying to overtake another as it's travelling 1mph faster. Just because they're speed limited is irrelevant. It's down to sheer ignorant driving both from the overtaker and the one being overtaken. If the one being overtaken just eased off for a few moments to enable the other to get past and in front then there wouldn't be an issue, but no they stubbornly keep their foot to the floor and force the overtaking lorry to take miles just to get past effectively turning that point of the motorway into one lane for cars.
you've never driven anything that big with such low pulling power and been driving for long period of times, needing to meet a dead line while wanting to get back home have you.
There not purposely doing it to spite you. They want to get were there going as quickly as possible in much the same way that you do.
You gotta remember that if a truck that's hauling a huge load of something, is gonna take a very long time to get back up to speed! |
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