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hjpcrew 
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Post subject: Remote coaching - Any takers?
 Posted: Sep 28, 2011 - 11:01 PM
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CjKit
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Post subject: RE: Remote coaching - Any takers?
Posted: Sep 29, 2011 - 08:29 AM
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Sounds like a very good idea to me.
People often post videos of themselves on here for people to critique, so getting you guys to do it seems like it would be quite popular. |
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Post subject: RE: Remote coaching - Any takers?
Posted: Sep 29, 2011 - 08:39 AM
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| Seems like a good idea, but £29 for someone to review a 30 second clip and a couple of photo's. I'd struggle to see how you could offer good value for money. Can you really offer enough help and advice from a 30 second clip? |
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Post subject: RE: Remote coaching - Any takers?
Posted: Sep 29, 2011 - 08:45 AM
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| I would say to feel like you're getting your moneys worth perhaps it may be a good idea to offer a kind of video feedback as well. So you can email back and write down some pointers, but at the same time try and get some video to explain whats going wrong, and what they need to do better perhaps. I realise that may be fairly time intensive though. Its just I tend to be more of a visual learner - I've read in magazines in the how to pages how to bs rodeos, but I can't do them. If someone in front of me told me what I needed to do I'm sure I could do them...perhaps...alright I couldn't do them at all but you know what I mean. |
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CjKit
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Post subject: RE: Remote coaching - Any takers?
Posted: Sep 29, 2011 - 08:45 AM
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| Just had a look at the link and I'd have to agree that £29 to review a 30 second clip and then another £14 if you actually want to discuss it with someone, seems a tad expensive. |
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Bailz
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Post subject: RE: Remote coaching - Any takers?
Posted: Sep 29, 2011 - 09:12 AM
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I kinda have to agree with everyone else it does seem a little steep pricing wise but still a good idea, idea wise!
I mean with the SCUK discount for £28 you can get 2 hours of performance informal coaching with an extra hour afterwards for practice so when you take that into account £29 for some advice on a video and photos does sound alot.... |
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hjpcrew
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Post subject: RE: Remote coaching - Any takers?
Posted: Sep 29, 2011 - 09:18 AM
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First post: Nov 06, 2004
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Some good points guys. On the pricing front, I have mainly gone with a basic time to write out a review and manage each intergaction with the rider, so it goes beyond a lot of obvious. If someone was to do an edit of themselves then that could contain a number of movements that would require more indepth analysis taking longer.
Maybe a scale of pricing depending on how many things you would want to review? If it was one piste run then that would not take long and could be cheaper, where a lot of tricks or clips in a 30 second block could be more expensive.
What do you think? What would you guys be willing to pay for this kind of service?
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Bailz
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Post subject: RE: Remote coaching - Any takers?
Posted: Sep 29, 2011 - 09:45 AM
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When i was at school we were always told there are 3 learning types
Visual
Auditory
Kinesthetic (Actually doing it)
The last one of those three can only really be done by coming on one of your camps or days but you could cover the other 2 with the following method that i think would defiantly help me.
Once i've sent over my video and pics if you were to reply with a description as well as a video with auditory description of the correct method on it and a tailored part from you saying exactly where you were going wrong and where the correct way to do it on the video can be seen/heard.
For example on say a grab if someone's non-grabbing arm was in the wrong position on their video this was causing them to lose balance while in the air you could reply with a video of someone doing the trick and then saying something like your non grabbing hand is blah blah look at the video at 2min 20sec you can see the arm should be blah blah.
Obviously that example could be rubbish as i'm certainly no freestyle expert! but that is the sort of idea that would help me i think.
It would be fairly time consuming making videos to start with but once you had a library of tricks you'd be laughing!
As for price it's hard to say but me personally for this kind of service id be happy to pay £15 upto £20 if i could come back to you after your feedback was given to help me again with the same trick. |
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Post subject: RE: Remote coaching - Any takers?
Posted: Sep 29, 2011 - 09:47 AM
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I reckon possibly £15-20 for an in depth written analysis of the type you mention above. I can definitely see what you're saying about the amount of work it could involve - you can fit a whole load of hits in an edited 30 second film.
As I said before, if your reply included video of yourself or your coaches pointing out what we were doing wrong, and drills on how to improve it, then I think that could command a premium price, at the level of £29 or perhaps even higher because obviously editing together a video reply would take quite a bit of time.
I think the main danger, as Bailz says, is that once you get into that sort of price people will be thinking that they would actually be able to get some face to face coaching for that money. |
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Post subject: RE: Remote coaching - Any takers?
Posted: Sep 29, 2011 - 10:33 AM
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Eh up mate sorry to put a wee bit of a downer on things and be negative but you asked for opinion/input so here goes 
Personally i think people would be daft paying for that kind of service when there are loooooooooads of forums/sites (like this one) etc where the boarding community would be only too happy to pass on a very well written critique and/or helpful tips to help you progress for free.
Also if i'm in the dome trying to work on something and spot a decent rider i've no problems asking them for tips and always found people more than willing to have a chat and pass on pointers, it's this ethos i really like about boarding.
I've taken tips away from a few people on here and it's definately helped me progress.
Granted all of the above is no substitute to being taught by someone qualified but for me personally i'm not sure i would get anything extra for a paid service i couldn't get here, much rather save the cash for real lessons or slope time. |
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Post subject: RE: Remote coaching - Any takers?
Posted: Sep 29, 2011 - 11:08 AM
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First post: Sep 24, 2007
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I think this would work brilliant if it was golf. As a sweeping generalization snowboarders are tight. Always wanting a discount etc, where a golfer would see value in getting his swing adjusted for £29 because its only £29.
For me £29 is better spent on fuel for an extra trip to the dome practicing and using a lot of the free 'how to' videos' or asking someone at the dome for a pointer. I'm sure you'll get some takers though. |
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Post subject: RE: Remote coaching - Any takers?
Posted: Sep 29, 2011 - 11:22 AM
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Ah i see the tight jock has come out in you too pal  |
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Post subject: RE: Remote coaching - Any takers?
Posted: Sep 29, 2011 - 12:12 PM
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First post: Sep 24, 2007
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When it comes to fuel yeah!
What I mean is your going to have to mess about filming. Then picking part of the video. I know if I go out to film a front 3 I could nail it 3 times, under rotate 4 times, and unload to early 4 times. Which ones of them do I put into 30 seconds. I'd much rather save the £29 and it can go towards a day coaching session or 4 hr ticket where I can go and try a trick until I break |
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Post subject: RE: Remote coaching - Any takers?
Posted: Sep 30, 2011 - 08:12 AM
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First post: Nov 06, 2004
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Thanks for taking the time on this. I certainly feel that the general riding community both online and on slope are more than happy to share their knowledge and experience, which is great. I suppose the key for this is tapping into a highly experienced coach, so it might actually save you a lot of time an effort.
As you well know there are people who really know what their talking about and those who think they know what their talking about. Plus I think a lot of riders are quite head strong and reckon that hammering away at a trick will get them the right result, and in many cases it does, but with a little bit of tweaking the amount of pain, frustration and slope time can be greatly reduced.
The VAK model is a great way to split the learning down and I think the idea of a little audio commentary could help. I know from the editing software I use I can add in an audio stream and additional clips. With having a complete video library of every course I certainly have a lot of the good footage for helping people out. The revision for pricing also sounds sensible. I suppose you just have to test it out and see what happens. If the time spent increases, then the price can then rise. I’ll have a play with the setup and see what I can do.
Anything else you guys think would be useful on the coaching front? |
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Posted: Sep 30, 2011 - 07:15 PM
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I have tried to do MA on peoples videos on here a few times. I have found it to be pretty frustrating.
In reality, most people have a general idea of what they are doing wrong or what they should be doing, they just cant put it into practice.
So where does the prescription for change come in? It is going to be very difficult to build some progressions and explain them in a way they can be understood to a lower level rider, especially without physically meeting them and figuring out their personality/learning style etc. You can't even give them analogies.
You boys clearly do an excellent job with your freestyle coaching, you have a great rep around the UK, I would stick to keeping/growing that, but that's just my opinion. |
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