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Post subject: F1 at Singapore
 Posted: Sep 26, 2011 - 10:06 AM
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Did anyone watch it at the weekend?
Hamilton penalised again? Was it fair? Did Rosberg deserve the same for hitting Perez off the track and getting past him?
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Post subject: RE: F1 at Singapore
Posted: Sep 26, 2011 - 10:47 AM
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I think it was fair. He did get himself into a position where it was inevitable, and Massa lost so much groud as a result of the puncture that it had to be given really.
Rosberg vs. Perez should really have been a drive through too in my eyes. He gained a position which he did not give back so.... the rules say a penalty.
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Post subject: RE: F1 at Singapore
Posted: Sep 26, 2011 - 11:25 AM
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Totally Deserved. I think there is a growing feeling that he is being penalised unfairly this year so when Hamilton is involved in an incident, fans (especially British) question the call. Unfortunately you cannot run into the back of people, Schumacher got a reprimand (would have been a drive through if he didn't end in the barriers) and Alguersauri got the same punishment for a similar move on Trulli (also resulted in a puncture). Still a good drive to get back to 5th (with a bit of good timing with the SC) but my favourite part has to be Massa grabbing Hamilton on the back in the press pen after the race and saying "good job bro, well done" for Hamilton to reply back with a "don't touch me, don't touch me man". Always good to see a bit of old fashioned hostility between drivers!
The Perez/Rosberg one was slightly more marginal but I was surprised it wasn't even investigated. Rosberg technically didn't have to yield the position as it wasn't gained through cutting a corner and in his mind he probably thought he was in the right anyway! |
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Post subject: Re: RE: F1 at Singapore
Posted: Sep 26, 2011 - 01:32 PM
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JakeDurbs wrote:
but my favourite part has to be Massa grabbing Hamilton on the back in the press pen after the race and saying "good job bro, well done" for Hamilton to reply back with a "don't touch me, don't touch me man". Always good to see a bit of old fashioned hostility between drivers!
Ahhh missed that!! haha its not like Massa had a shot anyway he has been rubbish all season he hasnt been the same since her took whatever it was to his face. Think that may have been a bit of frustration on Massa's part. i agree though it was his fault and he did deserve the drive through |
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Post subject: Re: RE: F1 at Singapore
Posted: Sep 26, 2011 - 03:34 PM
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JakeDurbs wrote:
The Perez/Rosberg one was slightly more marginal but I was surprised it wasn't even investigated. Rosberg technically didn't have to yield the position as it wasn't gained through cutting a corner and in his mind he probably thought he was in the right anyway!
It was investigated, but no action was taken. |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: F1 at Singapore
Posted: Sep 26, 2011 - 03:40 PM
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You can watch it here (providing you are in the UK) http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/formula ... 054952.stm although I think it was originally from a Dutch TV channel.
Hamilton has been in Massa's head ever since he dummied him into the gravel in China in Lewis' first season. So worried about him he just drove off the road! Then coupled with losing the '08 championship, you can see why Massa has his issues with Hamilton. I also think Massa quite fancied himself in Singapore and he had a reasonable chance to prove he has got enough Talent to still pull on the red overalls, a chance that Hamilton ultimately wrecked!
I like Massa but I don't rate him as a driver. The opposite is true for Hamilton, Don't like him but he's knows where the loud pedal is. |
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Posted: Sep 26, 2011 - 03:56 PM
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i like Massa but as yourself dont think he cuts the mustard anymore. I like Hamilton i think he gets given a bad rap sometimes he makes the sport exciting ive loved watching him race this season. (i gave up on F1 a few seasons ago because it was boring) Hamilton has a lot of time for the press and other projects and things and i like the partnership he has with Button (who i think everyone likes)
One driver i cannot stand and i loathe is Alonso though, arrogant cocky short manned syndrome twort! Do not like him at all (he can drive though) |
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Posted: Sep 26, 2011 - 07:01 PM
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| I saw it as a 'racing incident' that probably shouldn't have been penalised. Yes Hamilton ran into the back of Massa but it was hardly delibrerate, dangerous or bad driving, he locked a wheel slowing into the bend and clipped Massa's rear tyre. These things happen when to overtake in F1 the drivers need to cut margins so fine. |
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Posted: Sep 26, 2011 - 07:17 PM
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It was a racing incident Steffan Dominicelli said so even during the post race red button on Sky. What was more interesting is the push agression Massa had with Hamilton after the race, Hamilton was penalised and given the drive through penalty, yet, still managed to finished 5th apposed to masas 8th/9th.
Massa will be out of Ferrari for next year with someone most likely Perez replacing him, massa will then be in the middle of pack.
Hamilton has done himself no favours over the last few races with his snipes at the stewards, I'm sure if he had taken his punishments gracefully he wouldn't have got one this year.
Schumacher seems to get off ALOT lighter than anyone, last race he had a "warning" issued over the radio by Ross Brawn non the less, hamilton would have had a penalty 100%.
I'm not even a huge hamilton fan but he is being picked on, through his own foolishness. and massa just needs to grow up.
Lewis needs to sack his current management team and get his dad back on his side for races. |
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Posted: Sep 26, 2011 - 07:18 PM
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| ps Alonso is probably the best driver on the grid right now, with the worst eyebrows, I want Kobayashi to get Massa's ride next year. |
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Posted: Sep 26, 2011 - 09:48 PM
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| Most of the current F1 rules , are there to spice it up , make it look good when a driver comes through the field ....... most of it is total Bollocks .... wheel to wheel ... and rubbin is racing ( a club championship last weekend was won by last years champ again when he fired his main rival off ...... racing incident ??? Not really but he did it to win |
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Posted: Sep 26, 2011 - 10:00 PM
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I agree Alonso is the most complete driver on the grid he has been since he took his 2 world championships.
The Hamilton thing was definately a penalty he's not having much luck these days on track. Perez and Rosberg was also for me a penalty. I think Rosberg was lucky there in Perez could cut the corner had there been a gravel trap or a wall or something it would have been given as a penalty.
As for Massa sadly his accident has robbed him of the pace he had he'll be lucky to get another race seat if Ferrari give him the boot for Perez.
Oh and kudos to Kriss spot on about Hamilton's management. Hamilton was at his best when he wasn't thinking about image and celebrity and was just focussed on racing and trying to emulate Senna. He needs someone to get him back to that mindset and then we'll start to see him return to form. Sadly if that doesn't happen soon he'll not get another chance to be world champion. |
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Posted: Sep 26, 2011 - 10:05 PM
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| Hamilton lost the plot , a few hours after he was told / found out about his fathers fling with his gf/ fiancee' , hence why he stopped been managed by him also , and the fact his dad was intent on futhuring Paul Derista career and finding him a good drive (know Paul well and he will be champ in 4 years , team dependant ) |
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Posted: Sep 26, 2011 - 10:13 PM
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winterfunman wrote:
Hamilton lost the plot , a few hours after he was told / found out about his fathers fling with his gf/ fiancee' , hence why he stopped been managed by him also , and the fact his dad was intent on futhuring Paul Derista career and finding him a good drive (know Paul well and he will be champ in 4 years , team dependant )
Didn't know that about his gf/fiancee. No wonder he went bannas could still get it back though just needs a bit of luck and maybe to finish behind Jenson in the championship.
I completely agree about Paul Di Resta he's looking very very good and definately is a world champion in the making. Which team do you see him going to eventually? |
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Posted: Sep 26, 2011 - 10:36 PM
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