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Post subject: Linking Turns
Posted: Apr 08, 2011 - 08:41 AM
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Just after some advice on linking my turns...
I've been on one snowboard holiday for a week and by the end of the holiday I was starting to link my turns together and could ride comfortably across the mountain on both edges.
However I found that when I was linking turns I'm not sure I'm using the correct technique. I'll give you an example...(I'm a natural footed rider) when I was riding across the mountain on my heel edge from right to left and wanted to turn I would dig in on my heel edge with my right foot and the board would pivot or rock around this point and then I would apply pressure to my front foot and the board would straighten out.
It's hard to explain but it seems that in order to turn I am rocking the board up the hill (so the nose is pointing slightly uphill) and then putting pressure on my front foot as it comes back down the hill? It just felt easier with that rocking movement... |
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Post subject: RE: Linking Turns
Posted: Apr 08, 2011 - 09:17 AM
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| Okay, I am a newbie myself, so I am sure people with far experiance will give you better advise. But, if you are regular/natural footed i.e. your left foot is you leading foot. Then surely you should be putting you left heel first, then when the board is pointing down hill put pressure your back foot. It sounds like you are doin a 360 to complete the turn |
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Post subject: RE: Linking Turns
Posted: Apr 08, 2011 - 09:33 AM
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I've just had a look at some of the videos on snowprofessor.com and it has given me some ideas. I was taught when I wanted to start a turn to apply pressure on my front foot and wait for the board to point down hill. Once the board is pointing down hill then apply pressure onto the edge that you want to turn.
However after looking at their video of turning it seems that I should be applying a little pressure on the edge I want to turn on my front foot - once the board is pointing downhill apply this pressure to both feet. I think this would be why my turns take so long for the board to straighten out and point downhill - applying that little bit of pressure on your front foot edge would bring the board round quicker I guess. |
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Post subject: RE: Linking Turns
Posted: Apr 08, 2011 - 12:59 PM
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McNab's Go Snowboarding should help you out a lot
steer with your front foot, you're not a fork-lift with rear-wheel steering
vids are tricky 'cos you've got no idea if it's Basi (British), Casi (Canadian) or other teaching technique, and each are subtly different. e.g. Basi teaches you to steer with your board - flexing feet to get the board to do the work - casi uses more torso/shoulder rotation to kick round the board. Some will argue one is better than the other and don't want to start that one (again). |
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Post subject: RE: Linking Turns
Posted: Apr 13, 2011 - 10:21 AM
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| How far does the McNab's book go? Is it a very good beginners' guide or does it go as far as more advanced technique. Looks interesting. |
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Post subject: RE: Linking Turns
Posted: Apr 13, 2011 - 01:17 PM
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| Dont have it with me but will post what it covers when I'm at home this evening (if i remember and someone hasn't already by then). |
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Post subject: RE: Linking Turns
Posted: Apr 13, 2011 - 01:32 PM
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| Correct me if im wrong but what it sounds like you are doing to start the turn off is pulling the toes of your back foot up and not doing anything with your front to make the turn start. Try dropping the toes on your front foot to start the turn and see how that feels. This is of course for heelside to toeside. |
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Post subject: Re: RE: Linking Turns
Posted: Apr 13, 2011 - 06:34 PM
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Martin_4 wrote:
How far does the McNab's book go? Is it a very good beginners' guide or does it go as far as more advanced technique. Looks interesting.
looking at the book now it's infront of me... it's mainly good foundation and beginnery stuff - sure there's a lot of explanation of technique, biomechanics and board-control which is essential for more advance riding, but the majority of the book is the basics.
contents (summarized):
mountain safety
essential kit
snowboard tech
clothing
basic stance
skating
basic control (sideslip -> garlands)
single turn
linked turns
"McNab Pressure Control System"
pressure control
edge control
sharp turns
terrain (variable terrain and speed control)
powder (intro, tips and technique)
freestyle (intro, ollies, kickers and grabs)
freeriding (intro, tips and technique)
so, mainly the biomechanics and edge-control for basic turns -> carved turns -> cross-under carving (using foot-steering without body-rotation/shoulder-steering - so ideal support/reference to Basi tuition). Depends what you're after really... If you're after freestyle this isn't it - look at Maverix/Definition courses or Snowboard Addiction dvds. |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Linking Turns
Posted: Apr 14, 2011 - 09:39 AM
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| Cheers fella, much appreciated. |
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Post subject: Re: RE: Linking Turns
Posted: Apr 15, 2011 - 01:10 PM
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warrmr wrote:
Correct me if im wrong but what it sounds like you are doing to start the turn off is pulling the toes of your back foot up and not doing anything with your front to make the turn start. Try dropping the toes on your front foot to start the turn and see how that feels. This is of course for heelside to toeside.
So essentially this is how I would perform a heelside to toeside turn if I was coming accross the mountain on my heels:
1)Stop all pressure on my heels on both feet.
2)Apply slight pressure to my front foot toes
3)Once the board is pointing downhill apply equal pressure to both feet on the toe edge?
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Post subject: Re: RE: Linking Turns
Posted: Apr 15, 2011 - 01:23 PM
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geedavies wrote:
warrmr wrote:
Correct me if im wrong but what it sounds like you are doing to start the turn off is pulling the toes of your back foot up and not doing anything with your front to make the turn start. Try dropping the toes on your front foot to start the turn and see how that feels. This is of course for heelside to toeside.
So essentially this is how I would perform a heelside to toeside turn if I was coming accross the mountain on my heels:
1)Stop all pressure on my heels on both feet.
2)Apply slight pressure to my front foot toes
3)Once the board is pointing downhill apply equal pressure to both feet on the toe edge?
Thanks
It would be more like
when you want to initiate the turn drop the front toes this will start the board pointing down hill as it comes around keep increasing the toe side pressure and your done. Its much easier to show than it is to explain as im not a teacher of the dark art just a participant.
EDIT: Have a look at this thread It may help explain beeter than I can
http://www.snowboardclub.co.uk/PNphpBB2 ... 32933.html |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Linking Turns
Posted: Apr 15, 2011 - 01:59 PM
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Thanks for the info - I also found this link quite helpful...
http://www.snowboardclub.co.uk/learn
I believe I was getting a little confused because of the two different ways to learn turning - as mentioned by DereksDontRun above. I learnt by using my shoulders and hips to turn - but after watching some videos on snowprofessor.com I think I will try the foot steering method.  |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Linking Turns
Posted: Apr 15, 2011 - 06:52 PM
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buy that McNab book!!!
to break it down, here's how i would explain it all.
1 - 1st thing... knees bent, squatting in the "snowboard stance" (no straight legs) - on heel edge you can think of yourself as hovering over a minging portaloo at a festival. Arms by your side and no twisting/spinning or arm-flailing (make guns with your hands and point them at nose and tail of board - keep them pointed there at all times, no moving. If you're really struggling to keep your arms still then grab the hem of your jacket at each side - don't put hands in pockets as you want to be able to move them if you fall)
2 - should have even pressure on both heels as you traverse the slope.
3 - initiate the turn by rolling the front foot forward onto its toes (don't move the rear foot, certainly don't roll it forward too, but don't actively bend it back)
4 - as the board turns and speeds up don't think "oh sh1t, is this going to work or not?!?" and lean back.. just keep that front leg bent.
5 - when the board is pointing straight down the slope then roll the rear foot forward which will complete the turn.
6 - now you're on the toe-edge so shift your weight forward - hip/belly forward while keeping knees bent.
if you're twisting your head around, not knowing where to look, then try being a t-pot - front arm outstretched, rear arm on hip - keep eyes looking past your front-hand.
(if you're struggling keeping your weight forward a good tip is Elvis Knee - turn with your front knee instead of foot. Keeping the knee bent and pointed towards nose of board, now roll it and the board will turn. by focusing on the knee, and making sure it's bent, it keeps your weight forward which is the usual problem for beginners.)
i know you feel silly at the time, pointing guns, holding hems, t-pots and all that, but once you've got the knack and you become relaxed you can slob-about like the rest of us  |
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Post subject: Re: RE: Re: RE: Linking Turns
Posted: Apr 16, 2011 - 09:06 PM
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Post subject: Re: RE: Re: RE: Linking Turns
Posted: Apr 16, 2011 - 09:06 PM
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DereksDontRun wrote:
1 - 1st thing... knees bent, squatting in the "snowboard stance" (no straight legs) - on heel edge you can think of yourself as hovering over a minging portaloo at a festival. Arms by your side and no twisting/spinning or arm-flailing (make guns with your hands and point them at nose and tail of board - keep them pointed there at all times, no moving. If you're really struggling to keep your arms still then grab the hem of your jacket at each side - don't put hands in pockets as you want to be able to move them if you fall)
Lols... write your own book bro... ill buy it with explanations like these  |
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