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Post subject: RE: Re: flex or extend during turns?
 Posted: Mar 11, 2011 - 10:11 PM
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That makes a lot of sense!
I've been reading this and desperately trying to figure out what I actually do. I haven't had lessons for years so no idea about techniques/terminology any more but you're description makes quite clear what is meant by flexing and extending during turns (to me anyway)  |
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Posted: Mar 11, 2011 - 10:54 PM
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kerb wrote:
There are two ways to deal with the ice
Just like to say that, having read some of the later posts, I was obviously talking out of my impact shorts when I wrote this 
I can see there is a whole world of technique and theory out there well beyond what works for me!
Will try harder next time  |
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Posted: Mar 11, 2011 - 11:58 PM
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cheers for the reply Adam - makes sense.
my "extend to reduce pressure" was meant to be a way to explain un-weighting the board to ease rotation. (have a habit of typing, and saying, whatever sh1t that comes to mind before I've managed to think about it and filter out the crap to explain myself better).
Due to planning to do basi i thought i should re-evaluate my technique to help with that (and any demonstrations). Got a basi mate to give me pointers and he explained the desire to visibly show extension during up-unweighted turns and to practice it (muscle-memory and all that). It was after this that I realized I'm more used to tucking-up my legs and popping edges (cross-under carving, i think) and thus almost squatting lower in my turns instead of extending. Also remembered seeing a "dipping while turning" technique being taught (to presumably beginners) on a v beginner friendly section in Austria.
thus my quizzical mind thought I should ask on here what the differences were and i guess the rest, as they say, is history...
I initially thought there was possibly 1 technique that should be adapted for all riding, either extending or flexing (and that basi taught extending and Austrian instructors taught flexing - and I was riding like an Austrian when on a mountain), but this topic has made me realize the importance of both techniques for different styles of turns and riding. Hope that makes a little more sense... |
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Post subject: Re: flex or extend during turns?
Posted: Mar 12, 2011 - 01:23 AM
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adam_2005 wrote:
Vertical movement is a very important part of riding - and there are several discussions going on at once here.
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Hope that helps!
Adam, many thanks for your explanation of these techniques! That makes a lot more sense to me. I think I better understand why extending in the transition and flexing in the carve feels right for me doing crossovers.
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Post subject: RE: Re: flex or extend during turns?
Posted: Mar 16, 2011 - 09:53 PM
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| I don't get how extending up through the turn would be all that stable. I do however find extending to change edges on a steep pretty scary. When I watched my instructor snowboard it looked like he just kept low on his board and it's hard to make out when he extends ect. So with this method you get low to change edges and extend up through the turn on the new edge? |
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Post subject: RE: Re: flex or extend during turns?
Posted: Mar 16, 2011 - 10:57 PM
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I think the key ingredient here is to read what adam_2005 said - that it's more sucking up your knees to transition from edge to edge, instead of extra extension on the turns, which would give you straight legs. It's low/flexed in transition and normal riding stance extension during the turn.
At least, that's the way I read what he wrote and it makes a lot more sense in my head that way too. |
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Post subject: Re: RE: Re: flex or extend during turns?
Posted: Mar 16, 2011 - 11:36 PM
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ChasKi wrote:
... It's low/flexed in transition and normal riding stance extension during the turn.
Yup, that's what I was getting at. You have to unweight the board to change edge. You either UP unweight by extending vertically, or you can DOWN unweight by sucking up the knees.
For a bit of perspective on this, this video shows the level that the Canadian instructor association think you should be at when you're thinking of riding using down unweighting.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HQ9yH3KOnI |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: flex or extend during turns?
Posted: Mar 16, 2011 - 11:46 PM
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Very interesting vid that. But now I'm depressed, I thought I was pretty competent till I watched the way they control their boards!!  |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: flex or extend during turns?
Posted: Mar 17, 2011 - 12:02 AM
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Haha, indeed. Interesting vid, looks like I need to brush up 
Epic beard moment in that video too! |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: flex or extend during turns?
Posted: Mar 17, 2011 - 12:02 AM
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Adam has it. Nothing like both options being the right answer to confuse people  Down unweighting is the only fun way to ride moguls on a snowboard, knackering though. |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: flex or extend during turns?
Posted: Mar 17, 2011 - 12:09 AM
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^^ That's what i'll be practising properly for a while I think. I already do it a bit but the amount of edge they're holding on those down-unweighted short-radius carved turns is beyond me at the moment
And Chas, I saw the beard too, truly epic |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: flex or extend during turns?
Posted: Mar 17, 2011 - 12:18 AM
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So am I right in saying you flex down and suck your knees up to change edge? This is called a cross under turn where the board is travelling back and forth under a stable core instead of doing a cross over where your core is rocking back and forth? Or am I further confusing myself  ? ... |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: flex or extend during turns?
Posted: Mar 17, 2011 - 12:18 AM
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| METAL BEARD! |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: flex or extend during turns?
Posted: Mar 17, 2011 - 07:51 PM
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Without such a beard one can not hope to understand such advanced techniques and their true Zen impact on the world !
and yes that one was especially impressive!
and good description in this thread somewhere by Adam |
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