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DereksDontRun 
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Post subject: flex or extend during turns?
 Posted: Mar 07, 2011 - 12:05 AM
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dumb question - but I'm good at them...
when changing edges do you find it better to extend you legs or crouch down?
I believe BASI teaches you to extend during your turns and compress between them - think the theory is to reduce pressure on edges when extended and then bend knees again to engage an edge and ride away.
But... while in Austria I saw them teaching the opposite (tuck down while turning).
Just something silly, but have been thinking about it for a while. I know that on icier/steeper sections I seem to naturally suck up the board when turning and couldn't imagine trying to extend instead (I imagine I'm cross-under turning/carving, but without seeing a vid of myself I'm not sure).
or am I trying to over-analyze things? |
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Bobafett
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Post subject: RE: flex or extend during turns?
Posted: Mar 07, 2011 - 12:11 AM
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| Over-analysing, maybe. I use both types of turn, over and under. |
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Post subject: RE: flex or extend during turns?
Posted: Mar 07, 2011 - 02:03 AM
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| I believe you want to be extending throughout the turn to engage the edge harder, once the edge is released, flexion to bring the board up and unweight it, transfer edges, and repeat. |
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Post subject: RE: flex or extend during turns?
Posted: Mar 07, 2011 - 03:18 PM
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You can do high and low crossover turns, they are both effective but used at different times ie on certain terrain. High crossover you are high (or extended when you cross over the board and change edge), low crossover you are low when you change edge.
High crossover turns are the first thing you are generally taught, although it is hard to get any flex or extension out of a total beginner! |
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Posted: Mar 07, 2011 - 03:26 PM
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Posted: Mar 07, 2011 - 03:43 PM
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| My wife has just come snowboarding with me in Japan, her first trip after 4 lessons at Hemel. Hemel taught her to stand up in the turn and crouch down out of it. Now i didnt want to start confusing her as she seemed to be getting on ok but i couldnt for the life of me work out why you would want to ride this way. Then we get to Japan and her Aussie instructor tells her to ride the opposite way, as i wanted to tell her...and suddenly she could not only link turns but carve really well. |
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Posted: Mar 07, 2011 - 04:13 PM
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Surely you would stand up before the turn to switch edges? i.e. to get onto a flat base?  I think Neil Mcnab says the same in 'Go snowboard', you should extend to initiate the turn and flex once your edge is engaged to hold your balance and get more onto the edge?
Not sure if thats right or makes sense  |
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cantridepete
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Posted: Mar 07, 2011 - 05:04 PM
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| like the snowboarding equivalent of trainspotting this |
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ben_drummerman
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Posted: Mar 07, 2011 - 05:19 PM
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I think the best answer may be (in a non stuck up my own sweet arse kind of way  ) would be, just stay confident. Whatever you decide to do in your turns, do what feels right and keep confident. |
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Posted: Mar 07, 2011 - 10:28 PM
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cantridepete wrote:
like the snowboarding equivalent of trainspotting this
I quite liked the film myself, although the book was better.
You can turn any way you like. What you're taught depends on who's teaching you, and which orthodoxy they're following. Ask your instructor about what they're teaching and why.
Beyond schools, good riders will use whichever approach (or neither) as appropriate to the conditions and how they feel. Some types of turns are better / more fun in some circumstances is all. |
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DereksDontRun
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Posted: Mar 08, 2011 - 12:01 AM
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I've been thinking about this 'cos I feel more natural cross-under turning (sucking up my knees) but am planning on going down the BASI route this year and been recommended to practice the opposite for that (and even exaggerate it, for easier demonstration).
I think I get what MissBint said (and Cuillin posted - but have seen "cross-through carving" called "dynamic carving" before) - different technique for different applications. Slow/skidding/beginner turns are more the extend during turn and carving/steeps is more compressing during turn (probably with an earlier edge-change, i think?). Simple as that? But then why do other countries/accreditations teach crouching during basic/skidded turns - as I saw in Austria and Nick commented about in Japan?
yeah, i know, there's a fine line between self-awareness and trying to consider and improve your own technique and over-analyzing and taking the fun out of it all. Just was thinking that if I went down the Basi route it would be interesting to know the differences with other teaching-styles and how/why they teach what they do. |
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Posted: Mar 08, 2011 - 12:08 AM
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Posted: Mar 08, 2011 - 01:02 AM
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I would think it is almost impossible to teach a beginner to turn using cross unders. The reason some instructors teach standing up during edge change is because it makes it easier to bring your weight over the board onto the new edge - the thing people struggle with the most, especially on toe turns.
Cross under is taught at higher levels, when people are a little more comfortable engaging their new edge and making the quicker movement. |
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Posted: Mar 08, 2011 - 01:12 AM
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| Makes sense, ive never had any formal coaching so her lessons is my first experience with structured offical teaching. This is the problem i had, was constantly trying to coach her but being able to do something and knowing what someone is doing wrong is very different to actually being able to verbalise it in a way that a begginer can understand. Was quite interesting riding along listening during her lesson out there and seeing how they explained things that i couldnt find the words for. |
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Post subject: Re: RE: flex or extend during turns?
Posted: Mar 08, 2011 - 07:00 AM
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MissBint37 wrote:
You can do high and low crossover turns, they are both effective but used at different times ie on certain terrain. High crossover you are high (or extended when you cross over the board and change edge), low crossover you are low when you change edge.
High crossover turns are the first thing you are generally taught, although it is hard to get any flex or extension out of a total beginner!
What she said!!!! trust her shes a doctor! near enough. lol |
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