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Post subject: Becoming the BASI Best  PostPosted: Jan 24, 2011 - 05:10 PM



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Its not long now until I set off for Switzerland and have a go at passing BASI level 1 and 2. However whats not been that clear is exactly what passing requires and how good you should be before you attempt these levels.

So for anyone that has passed these levels how good/ what experince did you have before you tried?

Would be very interested to know thanks.
 
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Post subject: RE: Becoming the BASI Best  PostPosted: Jan 24, 2011 - 06:11 PM



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hi Dan.

good luck with your course how long is your course. i had 18 months teaching and training between my lev 1 and 2

Lev 1 is relatively easy, if your a competent rider and are open for critique from your trainer then you will pass.
Lev 2 is head and shoulders above that. the step up is enormous. Riding technique has to be close to spot on. your carving (piste performance) has to leave knife edge lines in the snow, Steeps need to be getting close, plus more.
You will be assessed on your teaching technique for central theme plus you will have to give a lesson beyond central theme.

if you have a local fridge or dry slope pop along, find the snowschool manager and ask nicely if they will allow you to shadow some lessons.
The hours you shadow before your course wont count at all towards your course but you will learn a lot about teaching technique. keep a log, make notes.


If you want more feel free to PM me.

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Post subject: RE: Becoming the BASI Best  PostPosted: Jan 24, 2011 - 06:22 PM



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presumably you've read all this:
level 2 info, mainly the pre-course info book.

afaik: level 1 - as long as you're happy on a red you should be ok... from the manual
Quote:
Perform cleanly carved arcs through the last two thirds of a series of turns on piste, no less than eight turns, on blue terrain less than 25 deg
 Perform linked parallel turns without any traverses between turns in a variety of corridor widths ranging from one dryslope mat width 2m wide to three dry slope mat widths 6m wide
 Perform linked parallel turns with a traverse between each turn (Snowboarding)
- that's it... v little to no switch, just need good basic technique (which they'll teach you). 35hrs shadowing, check you're not a peado with police + 2day 1st aid course.

level 2 - decent step up, carving blacks and probably want switch up to "linked turns on reds" etc. from book:
Quote:
Perform cleanly carved turns on piste, showing a variety of arcs, on blue terrain less than 25 deg
 Perform continuous linked skidded turns, in a narrow corridor, keeping snow contact, on bumps of less than 20 deg
 Descend steeper terrain showing control of speed for a variety of arcs on slopes greater than 25 deg
 Perform in a variety of conditions (powder, heavy snow & ice) using a variety of arcs and matching movements to terrain on slopes of less than 25 deg
 Perform a variety of tasks and tricks relating to Freestyle (easy terrain, green)
 Flatland - Riding switch
- Ollies over markers
 Park - Small jumps
 Pipe - Riding the walls of the pipe
- not seen that about pipe being assessed, think it's new... dunno... either way, can't see how it can be tested when places like Bankso do level 2 and there's no pipe... apparently recommended about 300-400hrs on snow between 1 and 2 - thus the 10 week courses. plus a further 35hrs shadowing.

level 1 freestyle - 180s on flatland (not off kickers), straight airs off kickers and 50-50s on boxes.

plan to do the lvl 2 next winter, so will be interested to hear how you get on Wink


*edit* mini posted while i was reading and copy/pasting from the pdf... ask him any questions Wink mini - btw, what freestyle did you need for lvl2? completely missed it was assessed...

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Post subject: Re: RE: Becoming the BASI Best  PostPosted: Jan 24, 2011 - 06:40 PM



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Cheers guys for the info, my course is 10-11 weeks long I think im at the level where I could pass level 1 but yeah I would just ask what kind of freestyle is needed for a pass at level 2?
 
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Becoming the BASI Best  PostPosted: Jan 24, 2011 - 06:46 PM



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i did the basi 2 course 5 weeks ago.

the freestyle element was
straight air over kicker.
50/50 box.
ollies, nollies.
a tail and nose press.
4 different 180's on piste.
knowledge when asked about which was which on fs/bs board slides.

that was our trainers requirement.

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Post subject: Re: RE: Becoming the BASI Best  PostPosted: Jan 24, 2011 - 06:49 PM



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mini - that part of the core lvl 2 or the lvl1 freestyle addon?

from looking at snowboardcoach the lvl1 freestyle is an optional extra ontop of lvl2 which has those "tricks"

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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Becoming the BASI Best  PostPosted: Jan 24, 2011 - 07:54 PM



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they have now introduced a new final test for BASI 2 , you have to be able to nail a mc double twist ...... this is what mini failed on cos he went to KFC and order one and ate it , good info on BASI SITE AND snowboardcoach

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Post subject: Re: RE: Becoming the BASI Best  PostPosted: Jan 24, 2011 - 07:57 PM



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DereksDontRun wrote:
mini - that part of the core lvl 2 or the lvl1 freestyle addon?

from looking at snowboardcoach the lvl1 freestyle is an optional extra ontop of lvl2 which has those "tricks"


that was just the freestyle requirement for our standard Basi 2 course.

so yup part of the core Lv 2

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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Becoming the BASI Best  PostPosted: Jan 24, 2011 - 09:04 PM



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sooo... dare i ask what the point of the freestyle 1 is?

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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Becoming the BASI Best  PostPosted: Jan 24, 2011 - 09:22 PM



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the freestyle elements of the Basi 2 where essential parts of the course but only a 3 was required.

in the stand alone course the requirement would me a 4/5

these numbers for those who aint done a basi are based on a fitz/pozner scale

1 - early awareness
2 - late awareness
3- early practice
4 - late practice
5 - early aquisition
6 - late aquisition

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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Becoming the BASI Best  PostPosted: Jan 24, 2011 - 09:32 PM



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initially read your reply as 360s and 540s and worried... 1s are fine, and getting close with 3s but 5s, screw dat... cheers for info anyway m8.

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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Becoming the BASI Best  PostPosted: Jan 24, 2011 - 09:40 PM



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no probs .

again if you or anyone else wants any more detail just ask. its only 5 weeks since i got back so am fresh with the info

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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Becoming the BASI Best  PostPosted: Jan 24, 2011 - 10:23 PM



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No offence or anything here, I really don't know a lot about these types of courses, but why would you want to do one unless you are confident you could pass each stage? If you want to teach others, then wouldn't you want to have been taught to the top level yourself first? Or is that what the courses do?
 
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Becoming the BASI Best  PostPosted: Jan 25, 2011 - 12:02 AM



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depends the course/exam m8. you can just take the exam (eg lvl 2 is a 10 day continuous assessment exam, i think) - can enter it whenever you feel ready (as long as you've got the prerequisites). I believe most rock up to lvl1 and dont really need training before it, but lvl 2 is a different kettle of fish...

lvl 1 is practically pointless unless you plan to move up to lvl 2. 1 only allows you to teach on uk artificial slopes, you need 2 to be able to teach on a proper mountain. So, a few companies came up with the idea to run courses, usually about 10-12weeks long, to get u up to a standard to teach on a mountain (as long as you're semi-competent to start with). They provide teaching (not a massive amount when you read the course litterature, but enough to get on with it and learn from), accommodation and lift pass. you have to put in a LOT of work - as mentioned before, recommended about 300-400 hrs between lvl 1 and 2 - if that's covered in 10 weeks than 30-40hrs a week... You also need to do 70hrs shadow instruction (which they will help arrange) and I believe a written exam. And, touch wood, you leave with basi 2. (can help by doing basi 1 in uk and 35 of the 70 hrs shadowing - not to mention about £500 plus a 2 day 1st aid course which is ~£80 and "child protection" module for £25... oh and Basi membership £45).

Snowboardcoach have run this kinda course in Bansko (next season they're elsewhere) for the last 5 years and from speaking to ppl who've been on it, are v good. about £3500 (plus a load of optional additions like staying on 2 weeks at the end to complete the season and theoretically celebrate passing). But if you don't like the thought of 10weeks in Bulgaria there's similar Basi courses elsewhere in Europe which i think are about £6000. Or can do the Canadian equivalent CASI for about 9-10k. (all are plus spends.... eeek...)

So, can think of it as a an expensive season away and might return with a qualification - doesn't mean you have to teach or have to use it. It doesn't guarantee a job or a new career - sure you're qualified to teach but much like getting a job from uni, there's plenty others with similar (or better) qualifications. Equally i believe it's not massively well paid (enough to live on while abroad but hardly mortgage and bills for UK house while you're away money) and at times v annoying (imagine teaching tourists in a resourt - getting n00bs and teaching them over a week to link-turns down a blue run, next week doing the same, then the same the following week etc... have read of ppl doing lvl 3 almost purely to be able to get away from regularly teaching noobs and being able to teach decent boarder challenging riding.)

now... why have I said above that I'm thinking of doing it even tho i've not really glamorized it... Well, personally think of it as a challenge and a goal I've set my sights on - like a musician with a music exam, or karate with their belts... there's no way to assess or check the standard of your riding in snowboarding so personally want to do it as test of myself and continued improvement with my boarding. If i meet some ace ppl and get contacts which might enable some work in a resort in future then cool - but I'm heading towards mid 30s and feel my opportunities for seasons away are limited (especially with mortgage etc.) so if i can sort my time out I might as well try and test myself while there... Plus, will have to discuss with work about sebatical etc - and can image them being more understanding if it's a "once in lifetime course away" instead of "3 months up a mountain on the piss." sorry, probably didn't expect my life story Wink

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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Becoming the BASI Best  PostPosted: Jan 25, 2011 - 09:20 AM



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^ Thanks for that, and I wish you all the best with the course! Smile
 
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