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Robin1980 
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Post subject: The difference between standard and carved turns??
 Posted: Dec 17, 2010 - 09:55 PM
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I am looking to book a level 6 lesson at CFe on Tuesday. As my heel side turn technique is alot worse than my toe side turn. They state that its learning standard turns (earlier edge iniation). Level 7 is then learning to carve.
Is the difference between the two the fact that you get up on an edge alot more on a carved turn than a standard turn?
Does anyone know if the beyond basics bit, of the McNab Go Snowboarding, is teaching standard or carved turns??
I dont want to book something if i can already do it.
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Robin1980
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Post subject: RE: The difference between standard and carved turns??
Posted: Dec 17, 2010 - 10:24 PM
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| I thought there was just basic turns then carved turns so this standard turn has thrown me. |
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corie1906
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Post subject: RE: The difference between standard and carved turns??
Posted: Dec 17, 2010 - 10:55 PM
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Only assuming as I've never done a McNab course but I would think that a standard turn is a normal turn i.e using a lot of your board base to turn so when you look back you get a wide curve in the snow. Carved are using the edge so when you look back you only see a pencil thin line, more dynamic and create lots of speed.
You need good technique to on your normal turns to be able to progress into carved, most courses and I'm sure McNab are the same (they have a good rep) will teach to the level your at and what you want to achieve. They should smooth out the kinks in your technique so you can progress to carved and if you are ready for carved they will show you.
No money spent on good progress coaching is a waste so I would go for it, give them a ring and chat to them if your unsure.
Please note I aint an expert so this is opinion only  |
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sneds777
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Post subject: RE: The difference between standard and carved turns??
Posted: Dec 17, 2010 - 10:55 PM
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First post: Oct 02, 2010
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Robin1980
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Post subject: RE: The difference between standard and carved turns??
Posted: Dec 17, 2010 - 11:20 PM
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| With a basic turn you wait till the board is facing down the fall line before you move onto the new edge. If a standard turn is earlier edge initiation then that will be flattening the board out across the fall line then immediately onto the new edge. Isnt that how you would carve? except for really putting your board on its edge? |
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Robin1980
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Post subject: RE: The difference between standard and carved turns??
Posted: Dec 17, 2010 - 11:27 PM
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Having re read that i think ive got it. They teach you basic turns first as your only on edge for a short period of time, so it helps you get your balance. You are then ready for standard turns (earlier edge iniation) as it requires you balancing for longer on the edge. After you are happy and balanced doing standard turns you are then ready to practice turns with the board completely on its edge (carving).
Does that sound about right? |
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ColdComfort
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Post subject: RE: The difference between standard and carved turns??
Posted: Dec 17, 2010 - 11:45 PM
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Damn that all gave me a savage head rush - i kinda feel dizzy now lol
Your last post sounds about rite ...
You can change edges much earlier in the turn than most people do when they are learning... which helps acceleration on steeper runs.... Carving is essentially Zero lateral movement of the board - in that u hit the edge and then carve round in arc on that edge with no skidding hence leaving the pencil thin line with Nikki mentions.
If you first learn to turn properly using pedalling and weight transfer - carving is essentially just learning to lean the board while keeping the edge pressured ... and finally if you learn 'early edge initiation' first this helps to carve as you essentially can hook the edge into the turn rite at its pressure point which really helps to kinda 'G' a turn round.
Man i gotta sit down after all that  |
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corie1906
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Post subject: RE: The difference between standard and carved turns??
Posted: Dec 17, 2010 - 11:46 PM
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Just read the link (was posted at the same time as mine so didn't get chance before I posted) and it sounds about right. I can carve and you just pop from side to side with your edge being the only thing in contact with the snow so it's really quick. You can do it slow as well using the full slope and your knees really bent....Really hard to explain so gonna leave it to some more experienced people who can put it into words!!!! Charlie, WFM, Dunx, Rob, Keiron, Nick, Nick, Mini and MANY others over to you
As I posted before, if you have any issues with your technique do a progress course you won't regret it. |
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corie1906
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Post subject: Re: RE: The difference between standard and carved turns??
Posted: Dec 17, 2010 - 11:49 PM
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ColdComfort wrote:
Man i gotta sit down after all that
Jeez Nick glad it wasn't just me with the head blag after that article. |
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ColdComfort
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: The difference between standard and carved turns
Posted: Dec 17, 2010 - 11:54 PM
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Haha for sure - i prefer to think of boarding along the lines of one of those big penguines in the antartic who just flop on their bellies and sliiiiide all the way to the Ocean ! Now theres a much mellower mental image to take to the hills ! ( and one that is ultimatly closer to what most of us will be commonly replicating  ) |
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jonnybaaheid
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: The difference between standard and carved turns
Posted: Dec 18, 2010 - 12:00 AM
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So from that link, do you need to pop off your edge a little just as you initiate the turn?
Sort of a crouch, extend, turn sequence?
I'm a bit hazy on the difference between skidded and carved as well. I take it you need some decent snow to do it? I wouldn't fancy trying it on icy hardpack |
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ColdComfort
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: The difference between standard and carved turns
Posted: Dec 18, 2010 - 12:22 AM
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Dude that sounds totally messed up !
Think of it in terms of driving a car rite...
If your driving normaly the car goes in the direction that its steering wheels are pointed in ( essentially before wfm or someone points out some racing driver shizzle ! ) - this is carving on a snowboard - the board only follows the direction it is pointing and stays up on its edge 'carving' thru the snow
When the Car skids it travels as a factor of the direction in which it is being steering and laterally in the direction of inertia. This is the basic skidded turn - the board goes in the direction you turn then skids across the surface of the snow making the radius of the turn wider
Carving is idealy for hard pack in fact as your board is allways under control not fighting for friction on the snow.
Essentially the tecnique for carving is just a refinement of the basic pedaling, weight movement back and forwards, compression up and down , and tilt of the board onto its edge by projecting or leaning forwards...
The only pop you sometimes get is if you really accelerate out of the turn and then unweight the rear of the board to push forward into the next turn and u will pop out slight - this is only usual on extreem carves tho like big gnarly euro carves etc.
Finally don't stress about learning all of this in your head - its real simple - just learn to turn as you have been tought , and learn to turn perfectly without shoulder swinging and rotating, perfect your pedalling and weight movement and then a good coach will have u carving in a matter of minutes - its really simply - o.c really perfecing it takes time... |
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Robin1980
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Posted: Dec 18, 2010 - 12:26 AM
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Thanks guys, will book myself on that lesson to iron out my heel side technique.
Might be a while before i start learning to carve, ive been concentrating so much on ensure my technique is good, that i havent really got used to travelling at speed. Good job ive got a holiday coming up to practice. |
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ColdComfort
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Posted: Dec 18, 2010 - 12:29 AM
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Sure thing !
The early turn initiation will help on the heel side turn too i find as it help to hook the turn in as previously mentioned. Other than that its all about trusting yourself to 'lean' backwards to keep the edge pressured i find. |
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Robin1980
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Post subject: Re: RE: Re: RE: The difference between standard and carved t
Posted: Dec 18, 2010 - 12:35 AM
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ColdComfort wrote:
Dude that sounds totally messed up !
The only pop you sometimes get is if you really accelerate out of the turn and then unweight the rear of the board to push forward into the next turn and u will pop out slight - this is only usual on extreem carves tho like big gnarly euro carves etc.
When transferring pressure to the front foot after a turn, do you concentrate more on pushing it forward using your back foot or just adding more pressure on your front foot?? Ive been wondering this but had not been taught it. |
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