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Post subject: How Can I Help Her? UPDATED VID ON PAGE 4
 Posted: Dec 16, 2010 - 02:02 PM
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new vid on page 4 or here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57Rj9ZUEaXo
Hi all,
Really hoping things click for my otherhalf this year and wondering if anyones got any tips,
She knows the basics but is struggling to link turns comfortably.
Here’s a short video with some clips of her boarding,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBHw8CFuC9U
Got some lessons booked but I’m sure at some points I’ll be trying to help her along myself so any pointers would be good,
She’s had some lessons at Hemel and passed to be recreational standard, then had a week out in Bansko.
She had a private lesson out in Bansko but the instructor was awful (I know its easy to say this but she really was pretty bad, too many reasons to list)
Unfortunately half way through the week she was also crashed into and had to sit a day out and lost some confidence, she did however make it back out on the last day.
Anyway, She hasn’t given up and still wants to give it a go but has said if it doesn’t happen this year then she’ll probably quit or might try skiing.
Understandable as its not too much fun learning and without linking turns all the time she uses the same muscles too much and gets tired.
The rest of the group we go with have now improved aswell so shes conscious of the fact shes fallen a little behind,
This year we have two trips –
4 days in Grand Bornand (booked recently as her Dad is renting an apartment so we decided to join)
Then we’re back for 2 weeks then we go to Morzine for a week for the main planned trip, we’re staying out of town so her being able to stay out with us is fairly important.
We’ve booked an instructor for the 2nd day in Grand Bornand, 4 hours one to one, plan is for her to have the first 2 hours and then me to have the 2nd depending on how things are going.
(I’d say i’m an intermediate but i’m sure I could do with a lesson myself)
Decided not to book anything on the first day so she can get back into things and relax.
In Morzine she has 8 hours of group lessons booked with Mint! , 2 hours on each of the first 4 mornings.
(she has her own boots by the way, rest is hired)
I think once she gets those turns sorted she’ll find it soo much easier, alot easier physically as she wont get as tired and also the enjoyment really comes on after that stage |
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Sandman
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Post subject: RE: How Can I Help Her?
Posted: Dec 16, 2010 - 02:24 PM
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I would hate to give advice that would do nothing. But watching that video it seemed obvious to me that she has a fear to lean forward and put her weight forward and her balance over her leading leg.
She is turning but she is basically turning the board almost flat on the snow with body twist rather than turning in with her balance over her forward knee for the pivot. This means that her turns are unstable and also unusable at any speed than really slow.
When i was learning the biggest thing that helped me get past the turning problem was the instructor telling me to basically put my arms out like jesus ish and create fists, then the leading arm fist should be over the knee almost touching it, that way you learn to lean into the hill and that in turn helps you to pivot and link your turns properly.
Thats my 2p worth, but im not an instructor so im just offering some advice. I would say that a good insructor should see this and be able to help.
My wife tried to board and even though she enjoyed the snow and could balance she never got over the fear factor of the turn, and hence started to fall to often and that in turn was painful. so confidence goes from there. |
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Post subject: RE: How Can I Help Her?
Posted: Dec 16, 2010 - 02:39 PM
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Post subject: RE: How Can I Help Her?
Posted: Dec 16, 2010 - 02:58 PM
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| I have to 3rd the advice too. Find somewhere quietish and get her to lean forward. It is the scariest f'ing thing at first, but when you realise the amount of control it adds to your riding you find you feel so much more confident. A HUGE help would be a helmet. Every person I have helped to ride improves so much faster with a helmet. It subconsciously makes you feel safer and more willing to lean forward and "take risks" although thats not really what you are doing. |
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Snowscreen
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Posted: Dec 16, 2010 - 03:46 PM
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Weight over front foot + bend knees more, good start thanks : -)
I had said about her knees but she said they were always bent and it was because shes short and that her pants were baggy that I couldn’t see....
I think the problem may be that she doesn’t take it in when shes told to put more weight over her front foot, might only come with confidence
I remember when I was first taught to board the instructor stood me up and held me still, board was pointing straight down the slope, leading leg forward, I got into the right stance with knees nicely bent.
The instructor then let go and I had to slowly apply my weight to my toe edge so that the board gradually turned on its own... when the turn was complete I’d come to a stop
It seemed a good way to get used to pointing the board straight down the slope and gradually initiating a turn.
We did this multiple times, trying to go further from the starting point each time by making the turn at a slower rate, We then did this using the heel edge.
Was thinking of doing this with her on the first day on a nice quiet blue, to get her more used to picking up speed when the boards pointed straight down the slope.
She can do falling leaf on her heel edge really fast so it appears to maybe be a fear of when the board goes straight |
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Posted: Dec 16, 2010 - 03:52 PM
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Posted: Dec 16, 2010 - 03:55 PM
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Posted: Dec 16, 2010 - 03:56 PM
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Posted: Dec 16, 2010 - 04:02 PM
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Posted: Dec 16, 2010 - 04:44 PM
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As all the guys have said above.....but I know you said she isnt very confident, but she really looks like she isn't confident on her board - like she almost commits then panics herself or something and doesnt, if that makes sense (I know what I mean lol) - could be worth getting her on quite an empty slope if possible and try and get her to do some big turns in space, as all the turns in the clip are little short turns, I wonder if she has to do a few big smooth turns it might help her get into a groove a bit....thought I could be completely wrong, I usually am  |
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Posted: Dec 16, 2010 - 05:18 PM
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Hi
Im not an expert, but somthing that really helped me which I picked up of here recently, was as well as having more weight on the front leg, on the heel to toe turn to push the hips more forward over the edge of the board, on the video your girlfriend leans forward with the upper part of her body but her bums still stuck out so the weight is not on the front edge as much as it should be.
I actually practiced standing up at home bending my knees putting the pessure on the front leg and ball of the foot and moving my hips forward, I could really consentrate on what I was doing as I wasn't scared of falling as I would be on a slope and it was a lot easier when I got to the chill factore as it seem to come automatically and I had my big brake through.
Just an idea as it worked for me.
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Posted: Dec 16, 2010 - 05:20 PM
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Yeah get her on a big wide green/blue slope (plenty of them in Le Grand Bornand) and get her to build up her confidence and speed. I remember learning on a big wide green slope in Le Grand Bornand(just looked on piste map and it's called Les mousserons). It had a decent gradient but was really wide so you could do really big sweeping turns and not worry about running out of space. It was very quiet too, i think there were only three of us using the slope.
I definitely think being confident to faster really helps. Like everyone else has said definitely needs more bend at the knees and more weight over the front leg |
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Snowscreen
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Posted: Dec 16, 2010 - 07:19 PM
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cheers guys!
Have found Les mousserons on the piste map so will head that way on the first day at some point.
Wasn't 100% on which greens would be boarder friendly, I can imagine some don't have enough gradient and you end up on flat spots, think I read it was 'serpentine' that was worth avoiding.
Plan is to get her using the whole width of a run, start her off from a standing still position so she's heading straight down the slope and then gradually goes into a turn all the way accross the slope from left to right. Come to a stop and then for me to release her from a standing position again so she goes straight down and then into a heel turn all the way accross the slope.
From the standing start I should be able to make sure her knees are nicely bent before releasing her!
Once she's confident at doing that and going all the way accross a run at a fair speed we'll go back to trying to link them. Hopefully once shes used to a bit higher speed and using both edges across then the turn will come more naturally
I remember my first few hours after my initial lesson, I would speed from one side to the other and then come to almost a complete stop to turn, bodge the turn and then speed accross on the other edge to the other side of the run |
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Posted: Dec 16, 2010 - 07:22 PM
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| one thing jay( method) in bansko does is get ppl to pass a pretend glove ( or do it with a real one ) between their legs as they initiate the turn , this makes them bend down to pass it from hand to hand , and then stand up once turn is completed |
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Posted: Dec 16, 2010 - 07:48 PM
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| one thing that 227angrydonkeys did with me, was, if you have some powdery snow somewhere, was just to go straight. It got my confidence up going fast so the next time i tried on a piste i felt i had control because i wasnt just going flat. (actually, he made me go straight, i got a bit addicted to going fast and the next day we hit the snowpark so maybe it won't work, but it may be worth giving it a try) |
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