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 Posted: May 24, 2011 - 06:13 AM
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nearly another 6 months down the road and nobody is commenting on this???
Could someone please explain to us muggles how this works??
If the BSA is only for 'pro' riders to support their 'olympic dreams' etc then let us know and I'll shut the feck up as i have no real interest in adding anything to that stuff
but if it's about how as a nation we develop our snowboarding, facilities and young riders, and shapes how snowboarding is portrayed and recieved in the UK then I'd really like to know |
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Posted: May 24, 2011 - 08:01 AM
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Its all a feck up, with the One Camp being the body for the Junior team, Jake was selected (it seems so was every kid in the UK) but only if we pay to go on the camps around £800 for a weeks training and accomodation plus travel and 4-5 camps a year. If you can afford it you can be on the team. We opted not to do it (we felt we could do more with the money), so at this moment in time and no available funding, theres no chance of Jake going the Olympic route and he's British (kids) Halfpipe and BoarderX champion, both Olympic disaplines. He wouldn't be old enough for 2014.
The way its being done at the moment, we have no chance of getting medals for snowboarding. A lot of the countries are investing in their kids way jounger than Jake in all disaplines. Not having mountains doesnt help, but with domes at our disposal, properly managed and some funding in place we could stand a chance. |
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Posted: May 24, 2011 - 09:15 AM
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First post: Oct 07, 2004
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Branny,
The BSA re-launched because of Snowsport GB going bankrupt, and remained in existance because we were unsure of what the new govenering body would do.
THIS IS THE WAY IT SHOULD WORK:
The National Governing body recogninsed by FIS, so that means BSS (British Ski & Snowboard) which launched 2 weeks before the 2010 Olympics. Their role is to look after the elite athletes, i.e the ones on British Teams competing at World Cup events and maybe EC events.
The Home Nations (Snowsport England, Snowsport Scotland, Snowsport Wales etc..) would look after the development athletes and Junior teams for each nation...and the development of the sport at a gross roots level..
THE ABOVE IS HOW IT WORKS FOR SKIING.
The BSA is currently recognised at the organisation to manage and administer the Elite programs for the BSS.
The BSA is made up of Colin Holden, John O'Grady, Lesley Mckenna with coaches Simon White (SBX), James Foster (SBX & Junior), Hamish McKnight (Freestyle). One snowboarding were given authority to manage the junior camps/team as they already had a working model that many kids used, so no need to replicate when something very good already exists. BSA a small team of people and along with myself we had plans to undertake not only the elite programs but also look to develop the grass roots program and many other aspects such as techinical qualifications, but time has been the real problem for all of us who are doing this voluntarily... so the priority has been with the GB teams.
I had written a massive essay on the situation with governing bodies about 4 months ago for a response to this thread and other questions about the set up.. I'll look to read over it again and hopefully get it published.
Its a complicated world with funding and governance out there and the BSA is fighting to retain a snowboarding voice in a heavily domininated ski world. |
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dunx
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Posted: May 24, 2011 - 10:49 AM
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| I read the first draft of the above. It's quite interesting. Hopefully Stu can get it finished and to me for publishing soon. |
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Posted: May 24, 2011 - 11:42 AM
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Branny wrote:
so is the bss for the OIC and FIS crowd and BSA for the domestic market??
makes the frontside/backside discussion look easy  |
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Branny
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Posted: May 24, 2011 - 06:20 PM
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Branny
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Posted: Nov 01, 2011 - 08:32 PM
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Evening all....
okay another 5 months down the road and nothing heard about this, my SCUK membership runs out in 10 days time.... and once again it's sat in my wallet and not been used (based on a mixture of I forgot... get an occasional free pass... got a local shop discount way better than the scuk one.. thanks Big|Dreams )
So I have no real need to rejoin SCUK (no offense Dunx  ).... for anything other than being part of the British Snowboard Association.
If that's not what membership entitles me to, or if the BSA doesn't exist then that's fine, I'll join snowsports england as an individual and hassle them instead
As I get a 'little' more mature I realise that there is plenty of activities to do to promote snowboarding at grass roots levels (as at nearly 40 I'm never going to be pro..or even am), I'm keen to do some judging courses as the standard at a lot of comps is pretty weak/shocking and would also love to do some volunteer work to get 'youth/schools' interested in snowboarding in the UK.
UK Snowboarding voice may be outnumbered by the ski crowd... but hey it was the BST/Soulsports that gave away the crown jewels and invited them to join in on the tour and champs (much to the outgoing BSA chairman Eddie Spearings contempt if I remember the WL editorial) It'd be great to see the rejuvenation of a real UK snow tour and a British Champs on home snow/soil that is run to develop snowboarding in the UK and not as a business opportunity.
there's also new organistations springing up claiming to be the voice of british winter athletes... although it hold very little credibility at the moment
so anyway before I rant on and Nick calls me a union rep again....
should I just f*%k off and join SS England or...
is the BSA (Association) going to have a voice in UK snowboarding that isn't steered by outside business motives, and is responsible to promote improved events, run judging courses and drag us back to were we need to be?
because tbh at the moment despite some tight local scenes, the UK doesn't seem to have any direction on a grass roots level |
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Posted: Nov 01, 2011 - 09:11 PM
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As an English member of SCUK, you're already a member of Snowsport England, which also happens to give you 3rd party liability for snowsports in the UK. I think that's just being sorted out at the moment and I think the level of cover has doubled.
Bottom of this page www.snowboardclub.co.uk/pack
I'll point Stu at the rest (of course). |
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Posted: Nov 01, 2011 - 09:18 PM
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thanks Dunx, TBH the insurance is the only thing that keeps me paying the cash.
This isn't an issue with SCUK, I really appreciate what you and the mods do, and the site is an invaluable UK resource and social platform/sounding block.
it's the point that was made that SCUK is the BSA membership which isn't true... the BSA is not a working association, with no active membership, AGM's or open structure (elected board members etc)
I feel (and would like) open honest communication... I don't think that's unreasonable |
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Posted: Nov 01, 2011 - 09:35 PM
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| Stu knows the details. Even I'm not sure where we stand, but we were asked to be the official membership body of the BSA when its rebirth was announced. At the time that was very much the intention, but it's not really happened the way it was planned - but it's not really fair to say that wasn't true at the time or something anybody is still claiming dishonestly to be the case (unless you can point me to a link that says otherwise). It's just what then happened to the BSA after that, which isn't very clear to me, because it all came down to UK winter sports representation through the BOA / FIS / IOC and as your avatar clearly implies, you don't much care for FIS. |
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Posted: Nov 01, 2011 - 09:41 PM
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stu
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Posted: Nov 02, 2011 - 10:10 AM
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Branny, I think me and you need to talk... pm me your mobile number and let's have chat. There is soo much to talk about that I'm sure a conversation would answer all your questions.
Dunx is right though about the BSA relaunching and appointing SCUK as its official membership. This was done when Snowsport GB went bust in Feb 2010, mainly because snowboarding didn't want to be at the control of a "UK" ski orientated organisation and in order for "UK" snowboarding to gain recognition from FIS that it was an official body it needed to prove it had a membership. The BSA didn't have one so it chose to use the only snowboarding membership (SCUK).
Unfortunately a deal was done with the BOA (British Olympic Association) and FIS to have both ski & snowboard controlled by BSS (British Ski & Snowboard). As the BSS had no snowboard experience other than appoint me as Snowboard director we managed to convince BSS that the BSA committee should handle all snowboard "team" related matters and event sanctioning.
I need ti have a chat with a few people to see what the BSA role actually is at the moment with BSS but I understand it to still be just team management.
Grass roots initiatives have always been the responsibility of the Home Nations (Snowsport England, Wales etc..). It was upto the BSA pre 2005 and was the intention of the new BSA along with the WSF (World SNowboard Federation) to kick off with new snowboard specific initiatives but fighting over governance in the UK and within freestyle/SBX teams none of this ever moved forward.
I'd say that the statement that "SCUK is the official membership body of BSA" is no longer relevant. However SCUK is an official club of ALL the Home nations so we are part of the big picture either way you look at it.
In the 10 years I've voluntarily had a position at BSA/Snowsport GB/ BSS I've never once had an offer of help from yourself (as far as I can recall). So whilst its easy to comment like you have above, you obviously have no idea of the circumstances which surround these decisions.
Give me a call (07711 402209), let me put you in touch with people that need passionate help like you are offering.
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