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Post subject: Pow on a true twin (centered) vs directional (set-back)
 Posted: Apr 19, 2010 - 02:59 PM
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I ride a 08/09 Bataleon Riot 159, a true twin, with a centered stance (duck -15/+15).
So I hit some deep pow for the first time (I only started snowboarding last year) and despite having a basic idea of what to do (lean back to avoid nose-diving), I found it much harder work than I was expecting.
My question, for those with experience riding pow on both true twin (centered stance) and directional (with set-back) boards, is: does riding directional (with set-back) really make it that much easier?
I suspect I just need more pow time (and I already know I want more pow time!) but I'd appreciate your thoughts anyway. I guess I'm wondering whether I should set my stance back a touch for pow or indeed whether I should have gone with the Jam. |
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Post subject: RE: Pow on a true twin (centered) vs directional (set-back)
Posted: Apr 19, 2010 - 03:12 PM
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Yes it makes it easier but not that much. The length of the board makes a bigger difference (unless it's a fish or swallow) and camber makes more of a difference too. Setting your stance back never does any harm but obviously it's harder to ride powder switch then.
I'd say it's just a practice thing and rather than leaning back you should have your weight back, you'll find it easier to react to the terrain. |
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Post subject: RE: Pow on a true twin (centered) vs directional (set-back)
Posted: Apr 19, 2010 - 04:48 PM
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directional boards with set back stances are for wimps! 2m pow day this season was epic. went to go to a rail jam in oberstdorf in germany, turned out the mountain was pretty much closed when we got there. they ended up opening the bottom half of it in the end, so we snook on the gondola without a pass and shredded all day.......for free! even though i put the rental car in a ditch on the way there :/
anyway as it was a rail jam i went to i had my 154 soft as sh1t signal park 15 15 stance with 26 1/2 inch width, riding pow no worries  went pow riding with George W and Jamie N when i was back in the hoff on the same board again no worries. i think it's all about what your comfortable riding. i ride nothing but twins with wide stances etc as im a piece of park scum, so its just waht your used to. but i'll be honest it is a sh1te loads easier on a directional with a set back stance! |
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Post subject: RE: Pow on a true twin (centered) vs directional (set-back)
Posted: Apr 19, 2010 - 04:53 PM
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| actually i'll tell you one thing i noticed, besides all the leaning back stuff etc is to ride fast! you stop, you sink. simple. so try and keep your speed up. |
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Post subject: RE: Pow on a true twin (centered) vs directional (set-back)
Posted: Apr 19, 2010 - 05:18 PM
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Yeah I agree with that. It's more fun too  |
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Posted: Apr 19, 2010 - 05:23 PM
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I used to ride my board set back a bit and have moved it to the centre now ('05 custom) and I can tell you that technique and practice make a much bigger difference than board stance.
Dont get me wrong there are better ways to set up for powder and obviously powder boards etc but for most of us the skill of riding powder is a bigger factor.
Once you get your head around the new feelin, being in a familiar set up helps massive amounts!!!! I rode the best powder I have ever ridden this year all stood dead centre and loved every min, then straight back to the piste and the park without changing set up.......what more can you want.
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Posted: Apr 19, 2010 - 05:26 PM
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| Rode a NS evo 153 centred 15/-12 in deep pow, weighing in at 70kg. had to work a little to keep it afloat, but rocker helps a lot and speed is the key. If I was lucky enough to find myself surrounded by limitless powder, I might bring the front foot in a bit, but for the occasional trip out of the park, it'll work fine! |
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Post subject: Re: Pow on a true twin (centered) vs directional (set-back)
Posted: Apr 24, 2010 - 10:35 AM
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Well I don't have experience of riding both, but I do have experience of rescuing people who ride the wrong kind of gear. But it all depends what you mean.
If you're talking some fresh snow at a resort then it really doesn't matter if you have good technique or appropriate gear, although you'll have more fun if you have them. Use your normal stance and only shift it back if you perl a lot. I don't use powder boards at resorts at all (even at places like Snowbird), because although powder boards are more fun in powder, resort powder has a base to it so can be ridden on anything. Hence I use a board more suited to piste riding at resorts.
If you find yourself riding with your front leg out stiff in front, loading your back leg with most of your weight, well try not to. You won't progress quickly like that, you'll burn your leg out, and it's nothing like riding powder. You need to ride on the board, at speed.
For serious powder (eg trees) a powder board helps immensely. You seldom see experts riding anything else, not because they can't, but just because it's more fun . As someone said, you can peel an apple with a butter knife, but it's not sensible. |
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