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sktr4lf 
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Post subject: Rails - ride on vs ollie on
 Posted: Feb 25, 2010 - 01:09 PM
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I picked up this months whitelines for a quick browse over breakfast,and couldn't help reading Henry Jackson's opinion on ride on boxes - for those who haven't read he essentially says they are sh*t and learners shouldn't touch them,instead learning to ollie and only riding ollie on rails and boxes. He also compares skateboarding to snowboarding,saying skaters dont have kickers onto boxes so why should snowboarders.
Personally I disagree, having boarded for about 5 years now,and skateboarded for about 5 years prior to that. I think ride on boxes and rails are really important for getting beginners into freestyle,as it takes getting onto the box out of the scary equation of learning to do tricks on them,enabling a beginner to focus on getting their balance and stance right on the rail.
And as for beginners skipping ride ons and heading straight for ollie on rails,im suprised whitelines if would endorse this quote! i'm pretty sure freestyle beginners would kill themselves on those first few hits. Surely freestyle should be about progressing slowly at first and building confidence?
I session ride-on,kicker on and ollie on rails,and find them all fun to ride and challenging in their own way,and theres tricks ive learnt on ride on rails that i can ollie into,but im glad i learnt them ride-on and built up to it.
Just seemed like quite a bold statement for whitelines to put out (albiet through HJ's interview).
Also,seems odd to compare skateboarding on rails to snowboarding on them,its a totally different ball game! |
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Posted: Feb 25, 2010 - 01:38 PM
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I have to agree with you on this one, I honestly think that Henry Jackson's statement was out of order, at the end of the day, he must of learnt freestyle the way most beginners do and that includes ride on rails and boxes.
It seems that fame 'of some sort' has gone to his head and he forgets that people have to begin somewhere. |
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Posted: Feb 25, 2010 - 01:50 PM
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Totally agree with you on the "ride-on or Ollie-on" but I don't think you can knock whitelines for publishing the details of an interview.
Freedom of speach and all that, to omit opinion is just censorship  |
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Posted: Feb 25, 2010 - 01:50 PM
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Also,seems odd to compare skateboarding on rails to snowboarding on them,its a totally different ball game!
its pretty much exactly the same actually dude... I've been skating for nearly 17 years and in principal its the same... ollie, turn, knees bent, focus your weight over the part of you board that you are sliding on... whats different apart from the board!?
side note... I can ollie way higher on my skate board than i can on snow, or at least it feels that way.
ollie on rails is blatantly the way it should be although I ride both. |
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Posted: Feb 25, 2010 - 01:53 PM
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| also with out hitting it from one side or the other you can never really truely say whether its frontside or backside! |
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sktr4lf
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Posted: Feb 25, 2010 - 01:55 PM
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passtherizla- i was meaning more from pov of being able to commit to the trick (number of times ive kicked out of boardslides on handrails on a skateboard because it wasnt feeling right) and actually being attached to the board etc. body movements and actual tricks are ofc similar.
totally agree with freedom of speech,not getting down on whitelines,purely what was said in the interview! |
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Posted: Feb 25, 2010 - 01:57 PM
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For me I don't like ride on boxes and rails as I find the kickers don't give you the same pop but if you do pop off them you are half down the rail or box.
When learners see a gap between a kicker and a box they panic and think they will fall into it even though their board is twice as long as the gap.
I understand what he is saying and no I don't think fame has gone to his head, he is a nice guy. |
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Posted: Feb 25, 2010 - 01:59 PM
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| i read that a while ago and was going to post something on it. I agree, its a stupidly elitist way of looking at things. Surely anything that encourages people to progress and try new things in snowboarding is a good thing. It does shout of a 'well i can do it so screw anyone who cant' kind of attitude. Quite dissapointing. Its the same attitude as when people complain about begginers getting in the way or ruining the jumps, we all had to start somewhere |
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Posted: Feb 25, 2010 - 02:11 PM
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I think its more about when a kicker pops you in to the air to board slide or what ever its better then a ride on kicker where you can catch your edge on the kicker/box when trying to turn the board.
The gap doesn't have to be big but I think having a kicker that pops you into the air is better. |
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Posted: Feb 25, 2010 - 02:13 PM
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I think the statement was actually in White Lines twice, maybe. Once in the sessioning street rails bit and once in the trick tips bit - am I right?
Reading that ride on rails are worthless is probably a little disheartening in a trick tips section for someone learning. Ollie on is harder and scarier and ride-on helps a lot when you're learning balance on rails.
Problem is, of course, that you can not realise that popping onto the rail actually makes it easier. And I think that was pointed out in the trick tips bit and was maybe what Henry Jackson was getting at.
Even on a ride on rail or box, if you ollie on to it from the ride up, it gives you more control. Oh and it looks better. Maybe the best option for learning is a ride-on style approach with a small gap, helps ease the fear factor and solve Lez's problem, and then you can try and build up to committing to side-on hits. |
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Posted: Feb 25, 2010 - 02:19 PM
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| think you might be right papalambert,i seem to recall reading a similar thing twice in the mag. |
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Posted: Feb 25, 2010 - 03:32 PM
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I can just imagine the carnage if I made everyone on our courses try side hits first off. The key is building confidence and progression. Side hits look more stylish and separates the men from the boys, but you have to build those skills without breaking yourself.
If you have the balls and some decent tips it does not take long. We had a group at Hemel a couple of weeks ago, going from thier first boardslides on a flat box to side hits in a few hours.
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Posted: Feb 25, 2010 - 03:35 PM
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| I totally agree with what the maverix dude said... |
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Posted: Feb 25, 2010 - 03:53 PM
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| i remember years ago, most dry slopes that had rails (gas pipes normally) didn't have raps onto them! took years for the idea of ride on, but made learing rails on Dendix a bit more interesting |
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Posted: Feb 25, 2010 - 04:03 PM
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| i learnt to ride rails/boxes on the dodgiest gas pipe ever up at pontypool dryslope. that was an experience...still to this day the sketchiest thing i've jibbed. |
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