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barrybaker 
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Post subject: HELP
 Posted: Mar 08, 2010 - 10:01 PM
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Hi,
I have done about 10 hours boarding and just starting to carve. Although i dont think i bend my knees enough or go on my edge enough, but at least i was starting to make some progress
Then last week i was in Austria at Saalbach. on the 3rd day, in the morning i was doing really well, ( for me ) then I stopped for lunch and then for the rest of the day it was like i had never been on a board before. Just couldnt turn on to my Toe Edge.
On the last day i went for a couple of hours in the morning and i found that everytime i went on to my toe edge the back of my board wouldnt come around, almost like i was leaning back, but i dont think i was.
Any ideas ??? really frustrating. |
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siany
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Post subject: RE: HELP
Posted: Mar 08, 2010 - 10:14 PM
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i had this problem, and found it was because i was looking. I could turn fine when my boyfriend was behind me and i was looking uphill to him but if he'd gone ahead to wait i just ended up flat lining down the hill, now where i look isn't an issue, but when first learning i found if i looked down the hill when turning heels to toes, that's where i went, and fast  |
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Posted: Mar 10, 2010 - 08:48 AM
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Sounds like you probably are leaning back if that's how it feels. You need to commit to that turn, a little additional weight over you leading leg, think of a 60/40% split lead/trailing leg.
If you have learnt the foot steering tecnnique use it, it works! From your heel edge move a little weight forward over your lead leg, then drop the toes on your lead foot and bring the toes on your back foot up into the top of your boots.
Also when away, just ride the morning hard and relax in the afternoon as you can over do it at first. Riding tired is a really bad idea as you need to build your stamina/muscles etc and at first you'll be using much of your energy to initiate turns, as time goes by you'll rely on the torsional flex of your board.
And don't put any pressure on yourself, relax and enjoy, if you start to get frustrated go have a break and try again when you're relaxed. Also do you live near a dome at all? |
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barrybaker
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Posted: Mar 10, 2010 - 10:23 PM
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DereksDontRun
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Posted: Mar 10, 2010 - 11:12 PM
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(disclaimer) I'm not an instructor, so probably best to take with a pinch of salt... vid looks like you're leaning back - when you cross the camera and go away from it it looks like your front leg is almost straight and your rear is bent (thus you must be leaning back). Also looks like you're skid-turning with your rear foot (possibly again 'cos there's no weight on the front foot.)
make sure you're bending your front leg and when learning I found elvis-knee helped - steer with your front knee, pivoting it in/out like you're elvis. Sounds crazy but the knee movement forces you weight forward while also twisting your front foot in/out which twists the board and initiates the turn.
but don't knock yourself, looks like you're coming along and as long as you're enjoying yourself then take your time. Sure it's good to push yourself but go at a pace you're happy with - accidents and pain only happens by going crazy. |
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Posted: Mar 11, 2010 - 12:06 AM
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| Leaning back for sure, but general stance looks okay. Try going "grrr" and riding a bit more aggressively to try and get that weight forward. Try to charge a bit more. |
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Posted: Mar 11, 2010 - 12:16 AM
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it strange coz i feel like i am leaning forward, tbh the bit where i go pass the camera, i nearly fell, a few bump. but i am loving it, i suppose its just getting over the fear factor.
I understand when people say speed is your friend, coz i keep trying to slow myself down, the odd turn on to my edge to slow myfels down, but if i just let it flow then i go betta, its just getting over that step..
I can ski, and i was getting frustrated that i couldnt get around on a board, let be honest, any muppet can snow plough and get around. but now i am getting to grips with it, i'm going to stick at it
Thanks for the advice tho |
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Posted: Mar 11, 2010 - 12:18 AM
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Alright Baz,
Here is my 2p.
Your biggest problem is your toe side posture. When you come around for middle and last part of your toe turn, you dont actually commit your hips or shoulders over that toe edge. Instead your front shoulder points down the hill, which makes it impossible for you to get your centre of mass over your effective edge. The reaction of this is that you can never fully turn across the hill on your toes, and you never get your weight over your toe edge so you dont really create any edge angle which means you cannot slow down. I am guessing you have probably caught a few heel edges too and slammed on you backside.
Make sure you are not pressing down too much on the balls of your feet on you toes - let the boots take some of the strain, this will also allow you to get a little lower and bend your knees more. Spend a little time slipping down a hill on your toes and get those shoulders in line with your board.
Front knee steering as mentioned earlier is also something you should work on as you are ruddering with your back foot.
Good luck pal. |
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Posted: Mar 11, 2010 - 08:43 AM
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| Do you live near a dome at all? Or Dryslope? |
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Posted: Mar 11, 2010 - 09:27 AM
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Cheers Matty, i think i know what you mean, coz sometime when i'm on my heel edge going across i feel all twisted up and i try to sort of shake my self free, I so guess keeping my hips and shoulders in line with my board ?
Could my bilnding help with this, i am 18 out on my front foot and 9 out on my back foot. i was suffering really bad foot cramp in my front foot, so that is why i changed them and ended up with this stance !
Once again thank for the help |
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Posted: Mar 11, 2010 - 12:15 PM
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I can't see the youtube vid while I'm at work, but just looking at your profile picture tells me you're leaning back too far.
As Dunx says, attack it. You don't need to be going fast, you just need to feel in charge of the board.
I don't know if it's a valid technique or not, but I find that when I'm carving I roll my feet. Kinda hard to explain though...picture this:
Traversing toeside across the hill, to make a heelside turn I turn my head to look down the hill, roll my front foot back onto the heel (leaving my rear foot on the toes) and then roll by rear foot over to the heel afterwards - like a staggered motion.
I think the staggered weight change twists the board and helps the carve.
Also, try pushing your knees apart on a heelside carve and together on a toeside carve. |
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Posted: Mar 11, 2010 - 06:12 PM
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barrybaker wrote:
I so guess keeping my hips and shoulders in line with my board ?
yup yup. If you look at some ppl (generally instructors to explain it more) they ride almost like a scarecrow with arms out at the shoulder but then vertically down at the elbow. Afaik this is to show that the body remains in line with the board. You want to be getting the board to turn you by twisting it with your feet (peddling), not forcing/skidding the board around by twisting your shoulders. |
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Posted: Mar 12, 2010 - 02:33 AM
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I am sure you mean well with this advice, but its a little confusing.
You are correct that he is aft on the board, but the biggest problem right now is aligment on the toe side. It is very difficult to manage that fore aft pressure while twisted up so just telling someone to get forward is pretty useless as physically it is very difficult. I am not sure about the knees together on the toe side either - to me that seems like it would be very difficult to bend your knees or absorb any bumps in terrian in that position.
Baz, yes get lined up on your board. My advice again is to slip a hill on your toes for a bit and get used to that position, relax your lower body, and makesure you are pushing your hips out over your toe edge. If your angles are +18 -9 and you feel comfortable then they will be fine.
Its pretty hard to give written advice on technique, so my real advice is to take a lesson, any instructor worth thier salt will pick up your problem straight away.
murray888 wrote:
I can't see the youtube vid while I'm at work, but just looking at your profile picture tells me you're leaning back too far.
As Dunx says, attack it. You don't need to be going fast, you just need to feel in charge of the board.
I don't know if it's a valid technique or not, but I find that when I'm carving I roll my feet. Kinda hard to explain though...picture this:
Traversing toeside across the hill, to make a heelside turn I turn my head to look down the hill, roll my front foot back onto the heel (leaving my rear foot on the toes) and then roll by rear foot over to the heel afterwards - like a staggered motion.
I think the staggered weight change twists the board and helps the carve.
Also, try pushing your knees apart on a heelside carve and together on a toeside carve.
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Posted: Mar 15, 2010 - 12:31 AM
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DereksDontRun wrote:
not forcing/skidding the board around by twisting your shoulders.
k first of all, ignore this puntah. seriously, I know im being a dick about this but if you honestly dont know wtf your on about, should you really be giving advice? No
Infact, what will actually help you is using your shoulders more, especially on your toe edge, literally turning the shoulders, core and hips to initiate the turn, patience is key. Also, your legs are way to stiff, get them real bent, i mean reeeeeaal bent. I wouldnt worry to much about alignment, its actually pretty good but yes, you are inclining slightly on your toes but id put that pretty far back on things for you to work on. Your weight is a little back heavy but you'll find that just bending those knee's more is going to sort that out.
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Posted: Mar 15, 2010 - 02:12 AM
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| Acctullay Zach Dereks was explaining a turning method taught by Basi |
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