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GrahamS 
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 Posted: Nov 28, 2009 - 03:07 PM
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Loving the folk who don't wear "thermals", but do wear "base layers". 
Tiberius wrote:
They're all old
Well I'm 34, not sure if you consider that "old" or not (I don't) but I've always worn thermals (or base layers), even when I was "young". 
MattR wrote:
Are you lot wimps? Or just buying sh1t equipment?
Well I'm currently using a Burton Tempest jacket, Burton Cargo pants and Dakine Scout gloves. Not sure what your opinion of that gear is, but personally I think anyone that goes into the mountains with just a jacket and t-shirt is a bit of an idiot.
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MattR
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Posted: Nov 28, 2009 - 04:41 PM
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Location: Sweden, look, snow!
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two different sorts of base layer isn't there. Those which trap air and help insulate, and those which wick sweat away from the skin and stop you turning into a soggy mess. And some that do both. Personally i'm too tight to get the ones that do both, and generate too much heat to make use of the insulating tops.
And as for jacket and a t-shirt, yes, that is asking for trouble if its all you've got on your top half.
A wicking top is a whole different kettle of fish, as it doesn't hold moisture next to the skin. Which is what f**ks you up if you stop.
But, I also carry a space blanket, half a dozen instant heaters and a spare fleece body warmer (in the rucksack), use a fleece neck gaiter, a (potentially rather warm) helmet and have a choice of gloves or mittens (for when its really cold). So hardly "an idiot"
Plus all the outer layers are "expedition quality" so look pretty crap, but are all taped seams, 20k/20k, "sealed" zips and so on. So minus 30, with 20 degrees of windchill leaves me with an awareness of the fact its cold (hairs in my nose freeze, and regular warnings on the tannoy to look out for signs of frostbite on other people nearby) but no issues, even when sat on a chair lift for 20 minutes or looking after another member of our party who had a mishap whilst waiting to strap them up and get off the mountain.
And where i live, walking to the shops, in the wrong gear, can potentially lead to death (and sometimes does) for about 5 months of the year........
Its all relative. Init. |
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GrahamS
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Posted: Nov 28, 2009 - 05:18 PM
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MattR wrote:
I also carry a space blanket, half a dozen instant heaters and a spare fleece body warmer (in the rucksack), use a fleece neck gaiter, a (potentially rather warm) helmet and have a choice of gloves or mittens (for when its really cold). So hardly "an idiot"
Plus all the outer layers are "expedition quality"..
All very sensible. But perhaps you should mention these little details when advising less-experienced people, rather than suggesting they are "wimps" if they need more than a wicking layer and a long sleeve T? |
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ChasKi
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Posted: Nov 28, 2009 - 05:45 PM
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Anyone recommend a wicking base-layer for me? I get way hot/sweaty easy so have opted for a shell jacket and am getting a bag so I can put extra layer(s) in that. I was going to just wear a t-shirt, but now I'm thinking a wicking base layer would be better after reading some of these posts.
Do these have to be skin tight? I'd like something I can wear as a single layer without feeling like I'm going to a gay bar. Short sleeved is defo a bonus. Also, wearing a t-shirt over the top of one of these defeats the point, right? What about a standard fleece?
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Posted: Nov 28, 2009 - 06:37 PM
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I wear Marino wool long-sleeve vests and mid-layers (Smartwool or Icebreaker) under an outer jacket (though any brand will do), and this seems to keep me warm enough out on the hill.
Close fitting is best (though not so tight as to cut off circulation!) as this helps trap warm air next to the skin and wick moisture away from the body.
Cotton should never be worn as a base layer (unless you're just riding in the park, or straying not far from home), as it absorbs moisture and holds on to it for hours, and will sap your body heat away trying to dry the cotton. |
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GrahamS
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Posted: Nov 28, 2009 - 07:37 PM
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Zetetic
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Posted: Nov 28, 2009 - 08:37 PM
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ChasKi
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Posted: Nov 28, 2009 - 10:21 PM
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| Any of those that aren't designed to keep you warm? I have no problem staying warm, but rather the opposite at the moment, staying dry and cool is the problem! |
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GrahamS
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Posted: Nov 28, 2009 - 10:27 PM
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| Just go for something like a Helly Lifa if you want more wick than warmth. |
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MattR
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Posted: Nov 28, 2009 - 11:34 PM
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GrahamS wrote:
All very sensible. But perhaps you should mention these little details when advising less-experienced people, rather than suggesting they are "wimps" if they need more than a wicking layer and a long sleeve T?
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Tiberius
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Posted: Nov 29, 2009 - 12:14 AM
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GrahamS wrote:
Tiberius wrote:
They're all old
Well I'm 34, not sure if you consider that "old" or not...
Jeez man, that's ancient.
Seriously, in 15 years time you'll be older than me |
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GrahamS
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Posted: Nov 29, 2009 - 12:42 AM
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MattR wrote:
..most of the high end (or at least high priced) kit does seem to be, erm, of rather cut price construction at the moment.
well the Burton pants and jacket are pretty well made (taped seams etc) but they are basically just a shell and mesh liner, no insulation.
Hence thermals 
Tiberius wrote:
Seriously, in 15 years time you'll be older than me
blimey, I'm surprised you can ride without a walking frame, never mind thermals |
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snowmcnair
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Posted: Nov 29, 2009 - 12:16 PM
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Proper wicking base layer (at least on top) is the way forward, keeps you warm when it's cold, and keeps you dry when you are sweaty. I wear that and my Jacket. works for me
Like Lez , I keep the vents open on the pants - there is nothing worse than sweaty balls!
T shirts are for the park on a sunny day - you wouldn't want to get stuck in the back country in January with a sweaty t shirt on. |
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MattR
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Posted: Nov 29, 2009 - 04:00 PM
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GrahamS wrote:
Tiberius wrote:
Seriously, in 15 years time you'll be older than me
blimey, I'm surprised you can ride without a walking frame, never mind thermals
To be fair he does fall off a lot, you should hear about some of his bike rides, they are even worse. Falls off more often in one ride than i have since the 90's |
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tadgy
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Posted: Nov 29, 2009 - 09:40 PM
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At the moment I have some "White Rock" base layer / thermal tops and a Vans shell jacket - which is OK for me in the domes.
But i'm just wondering about a "mid layer" for when i'm at the bash in Jan - what do most people use when they have a shell jacket and base layer?
I was considering getting some hoodies or maybe fleece tops/jackets.
I'm not sure what i'll need as i've never been boarding up a mountain before - how cold is it likely to get, and how much insulation will I need?
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