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Post subject:   PostPosted: Oct 06, 2010 - 07:13 PM



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My tips:
If you fall in powder on slope, take your time - your mates will wait somewhere (you did bring a mate?) - it can be tiring flapping around in soft snow. If you can't get any bottom when you try and stand up, use your hands to pack snow into two holes - eventually it should give you enough base to push up to standing where it gets easier to orient the board and get back to running downhill.
As for turning, try and be gentle with your movements - if you turn sharply you'll burn off a lot of speed (particularly heelside) and run the risk of getting bogged or unbalanced, try and flow a bit more and turn for longer rather than sharply.
Watch out for those untracked powder fields with tracks around them, they could be flat or uphill.
Enjoy it until you're knackered.
 
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quality thread, glad someone searched this one out Smile
 
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DrSnowboard wrote:
Watch out for those untracked powder fields with tracks around them, they could be flat or uphill.


Or leading into a hole that you have to hike out of!

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I love it when people say' you must not ride a park board in powder it wont work, you need a fish!' When in reality most people will be riding the pow a few metres of the edge of the piste. If you're going heli boarding then get a proper powder board, if your just dropping off the edge of the piste and riding in bounds powder like 95% of people will be then just ride whatever board you own Smile

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Is it me or everyone forgot to mention to put your bindings all the way back?

Move your bindings back as far as you can get, will reduce the need to lean back to keep the nose up.

Keep speed up, will help you float better on powder.

Do not do hard turns, just gentle turns to lean the board in the direction you want.
Remember that you are turning with the base of the board and not the edges. Edges have very little effect on soft powder, is more like surfing in water.

Plan your route, watch out for flat bits you might get stuck in. (I tend to fall foul of that bit Razz) Could be worse like holes or crevasses or cliffs!

And do not fall! Is a pain to get up! Or worse, when you burry your board under!

Ah, reverse camber boards are very nice on powder Razz

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Post subject: Re: tips for riding powder succesfully  PostPosted: Dec 29, 2010 - 03:14 PM



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philw wrote:
My 2p. Not necessarily in agreement with the above...

(a) First off, you need to ride balanced.
People will tell you to weight your rear foot, but that's a really, really bad idea. First off you'll burn your back leg away in one run flat; second, you can "weather vane" the board, but that's about it. You need to ride balanced on the board or you won't be able to turn it.

(b) Ride a powder board.
Don't ride a board designed for a half-pipe or a park: you'll sink and everyone will laugh at you. A couple of weeks ago I saw a kid who'd managed to get into a helicopter with a park board. He was flying stand-by, and the operator screwed up and didn't check his board. Of course he couldn't make one turn in bottomless powder. The tail guide had to walk this guy down through 1,000 vertical meters of waist deep. That cost him the best part of a thousand dollars... it's cheaper to buy or rent a powder board, and a lot less humiliating.

(c) Don't over turn.
Ride the fall line, don't be afraid of speed.

(d) Read the terrain.
You can't walk in bottomless powder. You can maybe paddle your board if you have the technique, but it's exhausting. So look where you're going before you go and never walk. If you don't know what you're doing, let someone else ride it first. That way you'll have their track as a reference, and you'll find it much easier to avoid the flats. Worst case, ride their track to help keep your speed up.

(e) Learn how to paddle.
Take one foot out of the binding, and use it as a paddle. Nothing else works, unless you like crawling through waist-deep.

(f) Stances.
What works in the park or pipe doesn't work in the back country. Most people who ride back country don't use park stances; it's a different deal. Think hard about duck. Start with the board's defaut stance and only move it back if you're actually perling. Good riders can and do ride centered on powder boards (which have default stances that are in any case slightly back).

(g) Don't look down.
Don't know where the nose of your board is? Good, it doesn't matter. In any case different boards ride at different heights. It doesn't matter, just don't look down.

(h) Don't sit down or fall.
No really: these are the most exhausting things you can do, especially if you do them in the wrong place. Sitting down is like taking your goggles off... never, ever do it. If you really must sit down, then do it on a steep slope and gently ease your body into the slope. That way you can get up and off again without using a lot of effort. Better is to just lever the tail of the board into the slope and rest on that. If you must fall, do it somewhere steep so you can easily get going again.

(i) Don't stop.
If you stop you have to get going again. If you must stop, do it somewhere steep (ok, bear in mind avalanche risk etc etc of course).

(j) Fall creatively.
Well fall so you can get up. It's easier than it sounds... you have a fair amount of momentum when you crash, use it to get your board where you need it to be to continue. Maybe you can probably ride straight out of a crash anyway, but even if you can't manage that you don't want to burn effort wallowing about in deep snow.

(k) Obviously watch out for tree wells.
Easier than it sounds.. shape your turns so you're not going to crash into a well, and if you do crash, make sure you go in board first.

(l) Banked turns
I'd be very wary of thinking about this as a technique. I think you're best riding centered on your board; if you try deliberately to bank then you may well get your self out of position.

(m) Face Shots
Breathing can be an issue if you're getting a lot in the face. Rhythm is the key. You may well need to slow down if your wave blocks your vision. This can be dangerous near trees, so try to break when there's plenty of room.



Um, what's a "scorpion"?



Really good post, think it covers most of it. I would only add that good riding technique is key. If you don't ride with the correct technique on-piste, you'll always struggle in powder. Really need to nail shifting body weight fore and aft during the the turn in combination with flexing the legs. This is especially important on steep terrain to ensure smooth turns. A good stance is key to everything in riding.

A small tip if you struggle to flex on toe side could be your boots are laced a touch to tight and might be worth a very slight slacken off.

I'd recommend taking an hour with an instructor to ensure you ride well, it'll be the best 35 bucks you spend and powder will become a thing of pure joy. Way better than any forum and a good instructor will help out on any bad habits as well. We all have them even though we think we don't.

Personally, I never move my bindings back, they are already offset on most boards and you'd be surprised how little backwards lean you actually need on steeper slopes. Most people usually lean back enough when riding as they don't attack the turn so the weight is never truly shifted forward to initiate the turn. The recommended position is legs and hips central over the bindings and then just lean only the shoulders back, but the hips. If the nose is dipping, then shift back a touch more to raise it again and re centre the weight for good balance into turns. There are a number of articles on body mechanics for riding that are worth a look at. Instructors have to learn this to be able to analyse other riders, so always get lessons if you struggle.

Happy New Year all and happy shreddin.
 
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Post subject:   PostPosted: Dec 24, 2011 - 07:34 AM



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Well just back from a short trip to Switzerland where i had the "joy" of experiencing my first off piste, waist deep powder....

chaletslovakia wrote:
Riders rarely enjoy their early powder runs. After crashing, burning and finally mastering the piste, powder has its own set of new rules.
We've all been thru it, the nosedives, the digging, the exhaustion, harbouring private thoughts of "this powder stuff is rubbish...."

You've got to learn it, just like hard-pack riding, or slush riding, or park riding.

Once you get it though you will love it, you can smile smugly to yourself and look at the piste with mild contempt...


Pretty much sums up perfectly how i got on, was with 2 experienced riders who were loving it but i just couldn't get out the mindset of weight on the front foot and therefore dug in or decked it more often than not (digging out of waist deep snow wasn't my idea of fun). Started to get a bit better at it in the afternoon and found it was a case of "manning up" a bit and embracing the speed, don't look for an edge but exaggerate the movements (i still REALLLLY struggled intiating toeside turns, any tips?) and i think it's just a case of experience. Pretty certain if i kept riding it i would have picked it up eventually but you do lose confidence in your riding when your digging out under a chair lift with everyone laughing at what a mong you are.

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With powder it's all about weight transition. You don't need to be on the back foot, you just waste your leg like that. Don't be static though, it's not going to be flat so you need to allow your body to shift weight back and forward to keep you from nosediving or falling out the backseat after landings.

When you're turning you need to be thinking about is shifting your weight more over the edge you want to turn on, it's just like surfing. If you want to slow down then just turn more across the fall line, don't shift your weight forwards and turn like you would on hardpack.

That might not be a great explanation but that's how I ride powder without falling over too much!

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Post subject:   PostPosted: Dec 24, 2011 - 05:13 PM



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go really fast. the whole leaning back thing only applies if youre going slow.
 
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Post subject:   PostPosted: Dec 24, 2011 - 07:29 PM



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i havnt read it all but for me i find a stiff board way nicer to ride in pow, i found a softer board almost buckles under you when slashing about. also a key thing to remember is if your in the first 10 or so chairs up you better be hucking somthing on the way down
 
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Find a steep hill. The steeper the better. Speed makes powder easier. Steep hills make speed easier, and its easier to get up on one than a flat bit if you've fallen over.
 
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nickmotture wrote:
if your just dropping off the edge of the piste and riding in bounds powder like 95% of people will be then just ride whatever board you own Smile


Exactly, and as someone earlier mentioned too, if you're a two weeks a year rider you'll not be going into the back of beyond.

Still, this thread has some really good tips in it. I'm sure my Turbo Dream will handle the edge of piste powder.
 
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227angrydonkeys wrote:
Find a steep hill. The steeper the better. Speed makes powder easier. Steep hills make speed easier, and its easier to get up on one than a flat bit if you've fallen over.


ditto, you dont need to set anything back if your riding the right hill.

people get into trouble when they see a bit of powder on the side of the piste and drop into it without really thinking if its steep enough to carry.
 
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Post subject:   PostPosted: Dec 25, 2011 - 11:31 PM



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who doesn't love powder??!!

Stay away from the trees? not likely!! powder turns in the trees....ahhh, the thing dreams are made of!!

Tips: Set your bindings as far back as they can go......this'll put your weight on the back of the board, lifting the nose out of the snow.

The difference of opinion on this board contrasts highly with those on the Japan forums I post on......its all about the powder. Even in-bounds there is often great access to almost bottomless powder.
 
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Cheers guys for the tips, I was chatting to someone who mentioned i was mad for trying it on a park oriented board (Never Summer Evo) but to be honest i started to do a bit better after trying a few times and setting my bindings back. I don't think it was anything to do with the board just me not being confident enough or nailing the technique right.

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