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Post subject:   PostPosted: Sep 09, 2010 - 07:45 AM



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oneloveofboardsports wrote:
I did reply on the other post, 2 milans, 2 trilogies in the demo kit, let me know which one of the bangs you will be at and what size boot and I will make sure we have some to fit


Cheers, I must have post blindness Embarassed Embarassed

I'm not sure which Bang I'll be going to, depends on friends preferences at the moment. I'll let you know as soon as I do. I have size 4.5 Salomon boots so pretty small Smile
 
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Relentless, just totally relentless!!!

You're the Duracell bunny of the snowboard sales world
 
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Theif you asked a question and he answered it. If you dont want the guy to go on about them then stop asking bloody questions about them.

You simple do this to antagonise people to make yourself feel superior dont you.

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nickmotture wrote:
Theif you asked a question and he answered it.
to be fair, he didn't "answer" the question. Just regurgitated what reads like a load of marketing literature. But thats what the industry is about, well, any industry that essentially sells toys. This years is 12.4% better than last years cos we've infused the product with 4.63% snake oil........ Wink

What it really means is its a little bit better than last year, but we'll charge you more cos we've changed the colour and the packaging.
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You simple do this to antagonise people to make yourself feel superior dont you.
Yes, he does. Some people have little or nothing better to do.
 
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He was asked they were better than buttons and said he couldnt answer that as he didn't know the burton range well, which I think is a very good answer! Every rep I know is enthusiastic about their product and will talk about it till the cows come home if you keep asking questions, they wouldn't have a job for long if they weren't.

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I dont see the problem with marketing literature, Ian believes in the brand he's repping thats all.

You cant ask a question about telling the difference between bindings and not expect some tech answers.

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in my opinion,

Unions have better straps than forum cartels - in comfort and how well they hold you in,
Unions better underfoot padding than cartels,
Unions dont have the most tallest, most unnecessary calf-burn-giving-after-one-run highbacks,
Unions are far more durable than cartels,
Unions are lighter than cartels.

That is why I had my cartels less than 6 months, and am still using the forces that I bought to replace them 2 and half years ago.

Theif, go to the big bang tour and demo both and then, when hopefully you have a fully informed opinion, see if you feel the same way.

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You aren't going to be able to test a binding to destruction in a couple of runs though.

As I've already said now, every decent binding manufacturer makes a well featured, comfy binding that rides well. Which one you buy is all down to personal preference... whether it be the brand and its marketing, the colour and appearance, the fact that it fits your boots better etc.

Most people won't try out the bindings they buy before they buy them and even more so, people are unlikely to try out a large range of bindings. As OneLoves post shows, he has no idea about Burton's range... thus you can say his view is very biased as he can't compare what it's like to a rivals, which might even be better for some people.

If you want evidence of why Union has been so successful recently, OneLove is clearly part of that equation. Every time somebody asks for bindings recommendations, he chirps in with Union recommendations, which people then hear about positively and reinforces their decision to buy them... If they have other reps doing this on other forums, it's free marketing for them.

Personally in all the bindings I've owned the main differences I'd really attribute are the following:

- Weight of plastic vs metal bindings.
- The size of the highback makes a big difference.

The rest all tend to be small tech things like comfy straps, ratchets, cap straps, tool-less adjustment, spongy footbeds etc.. all the manufacturers have their own versions of these.

I think most people don't have much of an issue until bindings go wrong, it's only then that you might consider switching to another manufacturer.
 
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You've said weight of plastic vs metal several times by which i presume you mean plastic is lighter? Odd that two of the Ride range are the lightest binding on the market then.

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Well maybe that's the exception to the rule, but generally that is the case.

Also though, metal bindings tend to be much more robust... I've certainly never snapped a metal binding. As I said before, there is a bit more flex in plastic bindings too.
 
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Yeah Alphas are (or at least were) the lightest binding made by far. But yeah bloody stiff.

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Are union any good then?
 
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robtheslob wrote:
Theif, go to the big bang tour and demo both and then, when hopefully you have a fully informed opinion, see if you feel the same way.

Rob's right - take your own board, boots and bindings along, have a few runs on your regular setup to get a feel of the slope, then ask at stands to demo a few sets of bindings on your board for a few runs and see if/how you can tell the difference between them - you won't really get much the same feel for them as riding on a mountain, but you should feel some differences.

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thief wrote:
Are union any good then?


You are just fishing now! Laughing

I'm not a Union Rep, but check out some of the names for these crazy technologies, which is why they are better!


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METAFUSE NANOTECHNOLOGY
Dupont™ Zytel ST Nylon coated with ultra-stiff nanocrystalling metal particles 1/75,000 the size of the human hair. Light as a feather, and has the wear resistance of hardened steel.

INJECTED MAGNESIUM
This high-tech process is four times the strength of aluminum with only half the weight. Plus, magnesium is easily recycled and remains the eighth most abundant material on the planet.

EXTRUDED ALUMINUM
Extruded aluminum comes out 100-percent pure and maintains its true shape no matter how much wear and tear you inflict. Union was first to bring the extrusion process to snowboarding and remains the sole company using it.

CARBON FIBER
Extremely lightweight and supremely strong, Union Carbon is “full carbon” through and through— not just cosmetic. If you demand high quality and precision, carbon components are for you.

ALUMINUM HARDWARE
By increasing the thickness of the natural surface oxide layer, the anodizing process beefs up a metal’s strength by 30-percent. Drastically lighter than normal hardware.

GRADE 8.8 HARDWARE
The most commonly used hardware is made from “mild steel” that has a property class of only 4.6. But considering how much stress a binding goes through, we use only highest-strength steel (featuring a property class of 8.Cool on all hardware.

DUPONT ZYTEL ST NYLON
Union uses only the highest-quality Dupont™ Zytel® ST nylon throughout our entire binding collection. The result is the strength, safety, security, and the confidence of a lifetime warranty on all baseplates.

Minimal Contact
It’s a simple fact—the larger your binding’s baseplate, the more effect it has on the way your board flexes. Union baseplates are designed to provide supreme strength with the smallest footprint possible—crucially reducing interference with a board’s true flex.

True Board Flex
Once they’re mounted, bindings create “dead zones”—areas under the baseplates where your board won’t flex. With this in mind, all Union bindings are designed to promote a free, even board flex for sweeter response, better board control, and improved durability.

Fiberglass Index
Bigger riders require stiffer bindings, so we proportionally increase the fiberglass content from our size medium bindings to the XL’s— ensuring perfect support for any rider who straps in.

Anti-Vibration
Union’s innovative injected-EVA bushing systems dampen vibrations underfoot to promote a more comfortable ride and a smooth, even board flex with no dead spots. Each size comes with its own durometer for custom performance.

Asymmetrical / Symmetrical Highback
We’ve taken our Multizone Highback to the next level by combining the total freedom of movement you want in the air with the strategic support you need to set down the landing gear.

Multizone Highback
Dupont™ Zytel® ST injected Multizone Highbacks are tapered towards the top, providing flex and tweakability where you want it, support and durability where you need it.

MetaFuse Nanotech Heelcups
The absolute lightest and strongest in snowboarding, MetaFuse heelcups are as good as it gets. Union is one the first companies to bring this technology to the market (in any market)— and when it comes to snowboarding, it’s still exclusive to Union.

Extruded & Anodized Aluminum
Tried and true after five years on the market, every Union heelcup undergoes an anodizing process— reinforcing the already bombproof apparatus with another 30-percent strength. It’s serious strength in a streamline package.

Strap Technology
High-performance, highly comfortable ankle and toe straps keep your feet locked in and on point. It’s called TrueFit™ strap technology, and it includes Multi-Position toe straps for the ultimate in premium personalization.

Compatible Disks
Compatible with any traditional 4×4 mounting system and 3-Hole , along with Burton snowboards featuring The Channel , you can
mount Union Bindings on any board you choose.

ADJUSTMENT IS BETTER
Stance width is all about personal preference, and having the ability to dial in your stance exactly how you want it is a must. Let’s face it—the chances of your board inserts lining up exactly where you want them are slim to none. By running your disk slots parallel to your board’s edge, you will have a wider range of stance width options. Now you can use your adjustable heelcups and toe ramps to get your feet centered while making sure your toe/heel adjustment is perfect.




Many of those features are exactly the same as what other manufacturers have but dressed up with other names.
 
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R1ch wrote:
thief wrote:
Are union any good then?


You are just fishing now! Laughing


I'd call it trolling Smile
 
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