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Mattylovesthewindchill 
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 Posted: Mar 15, 2010 - 05:24 AM
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Errrrrrrr, I think you might need to heed to your own words on this one, should YOU really be giving advice?
Initiation of turns using shoulders? That hasnt been used for a long time chief. Almost every snowboard body in the world has strayed away from that ancient technique since the arrival of softer boards/never equipment.
Bend your legs? yes thats true, but how? Most people who snowboard know they should ride low/with bent knees, the problem is that they are doing something with thier body which makes this impossible. Most people push down too hard on the balls of thier feet on the toeside, and just use highbacks on the heelside. Simply just telling someone to bend your knees is pretty useless.
I would say the toeside posture is THE most important thing he needs to work on. The biggest danger to any beginner is a big slam that will put you off boarding for a long time. Until that posture is figured out there is a good chance of a heel edge catch, and all the nastiness that comes with it.
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DereksDontRun wrote:
not forcing/skidding the board around by twisting your shoulders.
k first of all, ignore this puntah. seriously, I know im being a dick about this but if you honestly dont know wtf your on about, should you really be giving advice? No 
Infact, what will actually help you is using your shoulders more, especially on your toe edge, literally turning the shoulders, core and hips to initiate the turn, patience is key. Also, your legs are way to stiff, get them real bent, i mean reeeeeaal bent. I wouldnt worry to much about alignment, its actually pretty good but yes, you are inclining slightly on your toes but id put that pretty far back on things for you to work on. Your weight is a little back heavy but you'll find that just bending those knee's more is going to sort that out.
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Branny
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Posted: Mar 15, 2010 - 07:06 AM
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Skunkfu
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Posted: Mar 15, 2010 - 09:33 AM
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From learning to snowboard couple years ago to freestyle lessons couple days ago, always been told its all about your shoulders babeh!  |
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ChasKi
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Posted: Mar 15, 2010 - 10:12 AM
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I got told to use my shoulders in Austria and then told off for it in the UK.
Now I try not to use my shoulders because I prefer the feeling. |
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barrybaker
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Posted: Mar 16, 2010 - 07:13 AM
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WOW... ok thanks for the help, although it all seems very different.
Let me explain.. December 2008 i was going to Canada for xmas, so the wife and i took up snowboard, went to Castleford for 3 x1 hour lessons, then spend 3 separate days snowboarding in Canada, but on each day we had another 1 hour lesson.
Basically at Castleford we were told to push down on our front foot and use the ball of that foot like a joystick and use this to steer. Then in Canada we were told to turn via our hips and shoulders and then the board would follow.
My problem was that sometime the back of the board simply would not come around. and i was getting very frustrated, nearly turned back to the dreaded skis.
Getting my own stuff really help, but then after watch the others at Castleford I noticed some seem to be steering with their back foot, almost kicking the back of the board . SO i tried it and then it started to click and i could get down a lot better.
But I still get that board not coming around bit when turning onto my toe side, but it appears its because my weight is on my back foot. HOW DO U STOP THIS ???? I know people will say just lean forward, but I think I am,,,, really I do. |
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Branny
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Posted: Mar 16, 2010 - 07:19 AM
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okay, the kicking the board around is something that many peeps pick up riding dryslope, as there is more friction a lot of dendix warriors kick the back foot around
you have been 2 different techniques, one Basi (at a uk fridge) and one Casi (in Canada)
They both have positive & negative .
However despite all the have a go advise on here, i strongly recommend getting someone to look at you're riding and help with your technique, it's worth booking an improvers course or half day riders development course or similar
these guys see people riding all the time, can advise you in terminology that will hopefully make sense and can make adjustment to the instruction to suit your needs
it may cost a bit but better invest now than compound bad technique that will restrict you're progression in the future. |
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yellowlala
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Posted: Mar 16, 2010 - 08:19 AM
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This is why I asked if you're near a dome.
Castleford has the following on offer:-
Snowboard Xcell - Alternate Tuesday Nights (7pm – 10pm) - £50
This3 hour coaching session is designed to progress your Snowboarding by working on advanced riding techniques and putting them into practise. With a maximum of 8 people per session the coaching can be tailored for your riding, enabling you to learn techniques for riding steeper terrain, carving effectively, riding fast & in control, Switch/Fakie and and includes video feedback.
Intermediate 2
Who is it for? Anyone of recreational standard that can link turns from the top of our main slope – i.e. completed our level 4
Aim; To improve your skills, build confidence and ability and show you how to link your turns smoothly
What happens? Your qualified instructor will review progress and show you ways of improving your technique. You will work on linking your turns more smoothly, with more accuracy and building confidence along the way. Your instructor will help you correct any mistakes and work on your riding.
£27 Adults £23 Child
Freshtrax Coaching - Available every Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday morning from 9am - 12pm. Informal ski and snowboard coaching, hints and tips from our instructors to improve your skills. Ask on the hill for details.
You can not improve your technique to the extent you need getting hints over t'internet. Loads of options there at varied times/days. If you don't do well in groups you could book private coaching for you and your partner, www.maverix.org have plenty of coaches that could help. |
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kieren24
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Posted: Mar 16, 2010 - 03:50 PM
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Branny wrote:
CASI still teach shoulder steering.......
which is why a kid off my BASI course who had passed his CASI then failed... and he really was a terrible snowboarder too... |
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ChasKi
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Posted: Mar 16, 2010 - 08:06 PM
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Branny wrote:
okay, the kicking the board around is something that many peeps pick up riding dryslope, as there is more friction a lot of dendix warriors kick the back foot around
This is super true. I practised on my local dry hill after learning for a week on snow and had to work really hard to stop myself from kicking my back foot out. In the end I found a more aggressive stance with more weight on my front foot did the trick.
The hardest part, was keeping my weight on the front foot throughout the entire turn as at first, I wasn't keeping the more 'aggressive' stance once I'd initiated the turn and was pussying out to my old stance. |
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Mattylovesthewindchill
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Posted: Mar 17, 2010 - 01:09 AM
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Branny wrote:
you have been 2 different techniques, one Basi (at a uk fridge) and one Casi (in Canada)
They both have positive & negative .
However despite all the have a go advise on here, i strongly recommend getting someone to look at you're riding and help with your technique, it's worth booking an improvers course or half day riders development course or similar
Not just using your shoulders to turn is not just a BASI thing, its probably every other snowboard body in the world apart from Canada. To suggest they both have equal positive and negative points is way wide of the mark.
The only negatives that I can find with foot steering/twist is that you cant teach it to little kids, and you cant do it very well with stiff equipment. There are however a ton of negatives with shoulder steering, I could probably fill this whole thread with them, but I will just mention a couple. If you try and turn toeside using shoulders and you are not completely fore or centre, then the board catches the aft heel edge. So you end up pointing down the hill, speeding up, with no rotation left, so you are feck. Secondly, when you start to learn trees/bumps/steeps, that rotation is going to cost you a fraction of a second in each turn, which in tight situations you dont have.
I also think you would be surprised at the people that lurk on this forum - have a go advice on here from certain people can be somewhat better than a dome instructor who has never seen a mountain. Video Movement Analysis is a huge part of most certification exams these days. I agree that it is difficult however to give a prescription for change to someone not physically in front of you. |
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yellowlala
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Posted: Mar 17, 2010 - 08:01 AM
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| Why do you think you can't teach fot steering to kids? And New Zealand also use Casi for many of their coaches as do America. |
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Posted: Mar 17, 2010 - 10:12 AM
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I was taught as a beginner using BASI and taught to instruct under CASI. As a beginner I found the foot-steering technique quite complicated (on top of everything else you have to remember). I think that the shoulder-steering of CASI, if linked in correctly with the rest of your body actually has the same affect on your feet and base of the board as BASI, just without thinking so hard about it. So, it left me wishing I learnt under the apparently less painful CASI system from the beginning.
The key though is "if done correctly" with the correct posture. When steering with the shoulders, you should still have your shoulders in line with your board, with an even stance.
...and I don't think you'll get a terrible CASI level 2 rider. |
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yellowlala
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Posted: Mar 17, 2010 - 11:39 AM
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Cleveland_Steamer wrote:
The key though is "if done correctly" with the correct posture. When steering with the shoulders, you should still have your shoulders in line with your board, with an even stance.
...and I don't think you'll get a terrible CASI level 2 rider.
 CASI is not the devil, bad posture is! |
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kieren24
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Posted: Mar 17, 2010 - 01:54 PM
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...and I don't think you'll get a terrible CASI level 2 rider.
concur mate... and looking back on what I said there are some terrible BASI 1 riders out there... all subjective of course... |
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Mattylovesthewindchill
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Posted: Mar 18, 2010 - 03:14 AM
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yellowlala wrote:
Why do you think you can't teach fot steering to kids? And New Zealand also use Casi for many of their coaches as do America.
1. Its too complicated
2. They dont have the motor skills or strength to twist a board.
(I am mainly talking about kids under 7,8,9)
Just because other bodies around the world recognise CASI, does not mean they support upper body rotation for steering. Like I said, when you take riding to a higher level, that anticipation of turns will get you into trouble and take a long time to iron out. |
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