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Serenb - Nov 21, 2007 - 07:57 PM
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Ok usually I don't care when people use the term gay as an insult because generally I hear it used by kids who don't know any better but when I see it printed in a magazine now that *feck* me off! I know its the slang term of the moment but it actually does offend people especially those of us who are gay. They wouldn't print racist insults or sexist comments or anti-semetic jokes, so why print something homophobic.
Yes we're a minority to snowboarding but gay snowboarders do exist and for a sport that is often connected to the word free
it seems to have a lot of close minded bigots in it.

Rant over!

Sidget_Ex - Nov 21, 2007 - 09:18 PM
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If somethings Gay its Crap/Rubbish/Lame

Maybe you need to come to terms with modern language?

HP-S - Nov 21, 2007 - 10:02 PM
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Sidget_Ex wrote:

Maybe you need to come to terms with modern language?

I think that remark may go down like a dog sh1t sandwich with the poster.

I'm guilty of saying on here 'flows are gay', 'boarders are gay' etc but it's only ever been written light heartedly and never in a homophobic context. A lot of people do use the term in jest to put something down, say something's crap or take the pi$$ out of someone but I can see where you're coming from. It mustn't be nice to see people using the term for your sexuality as a word used to take the mick or put something down, as I suppose it's making the comparrison that being gay is negative. I for one will no longer post anything of the like, as now it's been pointed out by yourself, I can see that it may be insulting to you. I hope that any of the few times I've used the term on here I haven't caused you any upset, I can only use the defence that the reason I never thought about it being offensive is purely because I've never linked it to someones sexuality as I'm sure anyone else hear using the term will be in the same boat. Having had many gay friends over the years, it's not something I ever consciously think about as it seems totally normal to me and I've always enjoyed great relations with my gay mates and also the many people I've met in gay bars and clubs.

Why don't you write to the magazine to raise your point?, it'd be far more worthwile than just raising it here.

Sidget_Ex - Nov 21, 2007 - 10:57 PM
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When i say somethings gay etc, i would never mean it in a homosexual way, it just means something is naff etc

Its the times now, people around my age [well, and younger - 14-20] understand the meaning on it

Radio 1 had a big discussion about it, and they agree that its not a homophobic remark at all anymore

Urban dictionary on 'Gay'

3. "Man, these seats are gay. I can't even see what's going on!"

'Don't say that something is gay as an insult. I find this highly immature, mostly because it is often used when people can't think of a proper insult even when there is nothing homosexual about whatever they're insulting.

1.Jeremy was in a gay mood after getting an A on his test.

2.The people in The Village People are gay.

3."That is such a gay shirt,"remarked Robby.'

3.A generic insult. It can mean bad, stupid, whatever you want it to mean.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=gay

Sidget_Ex - Nov 21, 2007 - 11:05 PM
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Oh and don't be offended by it, nobodys really gonna use it against ya, ive got gay friends, i dont even know why i bother saying that, they are no different to anyone else, all great mates havnt got anything against it, the only people who are against people that are gay are either religious [Lets not get started] and people who are well, scared of gay people, as they see em as 'Different', but i just see em as the people they are

ouzodan - Nov 21, 2007 - 11:13 PM
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http://www.gayhistory.com/rev2/words/gay.htm

The word has taken on many forms throughout history and will continue to do so long after were all worm food in the ground.
In its current incarnation it has been doing the rounds for over seven years now so hardly ''slang term of the moment''.

I appreciate the word may be something you hold dear towards your identity but remember Sticks and stones.

April_Audo - Nov 22, 2007 - 10:26 AM
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HP-S wrote:

Sidget_Ex wrote:

Maybe you need to come to terms with modern language?

I think that remark may go down like a dog sh1t sandwich with the poster.

Why don't you write to the magazine to raise your point?, it'd be far more worthwile than just raising it here.

I wasn't going to post, but you've really annoyed me Sidget. There is absolutely no reason for anyone to have to accept something they find offensive!

I try very hard not to use homaphobic or racist 'slang' no matter how fashionable it is. I personally don't think its acceptable to describe something as being 'gay' unless its being used within in it correct definition. Inferring that something is substandard using a word that describes how many people define themselves therefore infers that they are substandard too.

grrr...

ace_mcgraw - Nov 22, 2007 - 10:59 AM
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I personally don't think its acceptable to describe something as being 'gay' unless its being used within in it correct definition.

I agree with you April, but the quote I've got above highlights the problem. Who's to say waht the definition is? Language is always changing. 100 years ago the correct definition of gay was nothing to do with homosexuality, in much the same way that 15 years ago, gay wasn't used in the same way as it is now, and whether or not you agree with it, it is used widely. I know it gets bandied around on here quite a lot, especially in relation to Flows, but as with HP-S, and i'm sure the others on here, I don't think any link is being drawn to sexuality.

April_Audo - Nov 22, 2007 - 02:55 PM
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I should have added that I would only use the word gay as I understand it to be defined. I don't use the word as a term for Homosexuality. Smile

As stated, it is my own personal choice and view posted above, what I was particularly objecting to was Sidgets daft comment above about having to accept it. Smile

ace_mcgraw - Nov 22, 2007 - 03:05 PM
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As stated, it is my own personal choice and view posted above, what I was particularly objecting to was Sidgets daft comment above about having to accept it.

Good call, I think we can all agree that was stupid Very Happy

ace_mcgraw - Nov 22, 2007 - 03:06 PM
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by the way, what does that latin bit mean?

April_Audo - Nov 22, 2007 - 03:15 PM
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'A Precipice in front, wolves behind'

Latin euphamism for 'Between a rock and a hard place'

April_Audo - Nov 22, 2007 - 03:16 PM
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excuse atrocious spelling.... Smile

Jaded_Parrot - Nov 22, 2007 - 03:30 PM
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I think a lot of the lingo and how we perceive it has to do with age...

And as a snowboarder (obviously) i here the word sick used a fair bit in the obvious snowboarder terminology.

I for one cannot use the term other than throwing a sicky at work Laughing

My mate of the same age (not mentally) uses it all the time and when i hear it, it makes me cringe cus i just think he sounds about 15!!

Does that make me uncool? Very Happy

Noob - Nov 22, 2007 - 05:22 PM
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I call things gay fairly often. My friends that are gay/lesbian call things gay fairly often as an insult. Nobody cares. None of my gay/lesbian friends (and i hate referring to them as that, as they are just friends whatever their sexual preference) think it's homophobic either.

Serenb - Nov 22, 2007 - 08:58 PM
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It doesnt usually bother me when people use it and I couldnt care less what people call me but thats cause I'm happy with who I am, but 10 years ago it would of been completely different. Coming out is hard enough without the label thats associated with your sexuality beeing something negative. Especially when it was started with kids calling other kids gay as an insult which has just evolved onto other things.
What I was really upset about is that they used a term that does cause offence to lot of people without thought. In comparison look at the word nigger unlike gay its actually used positively these days, but still causes offence. Do you really think they'd print it in their magazine?

I realise that when people use it they dont mean to offend and I don't like being so pc on something but from personal experience and from knowing it upsets other people I dislike its use.

yellowlala - Nov 23, 2007 - 12:35 AM
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I think Sidget is right in what's he's saying people....maybe not putting it particularly sensitively.... but the meaning of the word is evolving.

I have been pondering this particular question, whether it's right that my son should be using the word or not. His response when I asked was marvellous in its simplicity. When I questioned him he said there's two different words "Gay" - meaning homosexual and "Ghey" - meaning pants or rubbish. So in his mind there is a very clear and pronounced distinction between the words use.

I also think Sidget and others are showing the way when they say: I don't like refering to my "gay" friends as they're just my friends. I think there's hope for our youth yet...just can't believe Sidget is it lol Laughing